From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 07:00:12 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1F0Bkq017730 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:00:12 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB1F0B04017729 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:00:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1F08R2017724 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:00:10 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so372973wri for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:00:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fyJcbyPAIDiVC6rvxwpzC5r5k6yriZg0Sog54y2AtXwEx6+Dwhyd/qytPIuVG3z/DByjnz3iGz60bWExhb6JYzErBJeoQD6MWoG5xsxhCbUkBFHMZpRquK5BPlMFHM3brP6LaGf31CuNXc6qw0Ovxq0cZ1ND7uyCBsrobJGRTuw= Received: by 10.65.213.10 with SMTP id p10mr879924qbq; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.197.1 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:00:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6f10fa9d0512010700k5b669cc4h131810f4a652e111> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:00:07 -0800 From: Dennis Moore To: Babel-list Subject: FW: MC5 - Links & Federal Court Ruling .. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id jB1F0AR2017725 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Jackson Smith @ MotorCityRocks.com: "The suit is for good reason. It seems people have a hard time remembering that there are people and families behind the MC5 name. God forbid that they may have real problems and issues with each other..." Federal Court ruling details and commentary: http://tinyurl.com/72tmp The MC5 risked everything to make great music, even their lives and careers. As businessmen they were epic failures. Now a fresh flurry of ugly business squabbles swirls around the MC5... against a backdrop of controversy and infighting, subjects with which the band became intimately familiar in its first go-round. A seven-years-in-the-making documentary about the band's exploits, "MC5: A True Testimonial," has been derailed in the 11th hour over music licensing issues. Once again the band is a house divided, with the families of the late Rob Tyner and Fred "Sonic" Smith pitted against Kramer, Davis and Thompson... Kramer's battle with Thomas and Legler's corporation, Future/Now Films, has divided the MC5 camp. Tyner's widow, Rebecca Derminer, agreed to license her husband's share of the songs to the filmmakers and joined in their motion against Kramer in bankruptcy court. Also upset is Patti Smith, the second wife of MC5 guitarist Fred "Sonic" Smith, who died of heart failure in 1994. "It's a shame," says Patti Smith, who had two children with the guitarist. "I understand from my son [Jackson] that it's a wonderful movie, and I support it. It's being blocked by Wayne Kramer, and I think that's unfortunate. My son is one of the true guardians of his father's name, and he felt that the movie served his father well, and he was hoping that it would come out. These things are always a shame, when someone is trying to do something good and it gets tainted by greed." (from a column by Greg Kot - Chicago Tribune - 30 May 2004) More on "MC5 - A True Testimonial": http://www.sonicsrendezvous.com/MC5/index.html From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 07:49:54 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1FnrOv019741 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:49:54 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB1FnrJN019740 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:49:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.193]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1Fnp7M019735 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:49:52 -0800 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so318761wxd for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:49:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bfO5v24gynCdAPsBJT89DvN+pUaZGmdLMGOGMbxthvG/JTDiov9a5tXB75WFbUXyS1rbmm+fX+h03TaByQO9Je8+EZ1kqI7BVcNNjIIRbapB08+FecWOJfLTDnU5aY6MTNE/biauCWXWZdjQxol7VaLgh4TjgoK6Od+MiuFfYJU= Received: by 10.65.11.9 with SMTP id o9mr897188qbi; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.197.1 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:49:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6f10fa9d0512010749r2af92a4ex7a6f15eedb2349e4> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:49:50 -0800 From: Dennis Moore To: Babel-list , EternalCafe Subject: [npc] Fwd: FW: NIETZSCHE & THE FUTURE OF ART - NYC event, Dec. 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id jB1Fnq7M019736 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ just trying to impress yall talking about Nietzsche AND shit - hahaha (wish I could be there though) > -----Original Message----- > From: Nietzsche Circle [mailto:goatvines] > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:31 AM > To: goatvines > Subject: NIETZSCHE & THE FUTURE OF ART > > The NIETZSCHE CIRCLE with the support of Deutsches Haus presents > > NIETZSCHE & THE FUTURE OF ART: > > The Effect of Nietzsche's Aesthetics on the Art of the Twentieth Century > > A lecture with slides by Friedrich Ulfers and Mark Daniel Cohen > > > At the beginning of the twentieth century, shortly after Nietzsche's > death, > artists in all the principal fields of artistic endeavor knowingly and > openly adopted the philosopher's aesthetic ideas and used them to > revolutionize art. In this paper, the authors will examine principal > practitioners of the visual arts, literature, and music to locate > Nietzsche's influence, an influence that made much of Modernism possible. > It > is an influence that has not been exhausted. Although over the last 30 > years > much argumentation has been devoted to announcing the death of art, a > study > of Nietzsche's aesthetic thought reveals the project that initiated > twentieth-century art has yet to be realized fully. The authors will > demonstrate that Nietzsche's writings can be distilled into an aesthetic > philosophy that charts future possibilities for an art devoted to > revealing > the truth of the world and that such possibilities are continuing to be > explored by contemporary artists. > > > MARK DANIEL COHEN & FRIEDRICH ULFERS > > Friedrich Ulfers and Mark Daniel Cohen are preparing a book of Nietzsche's > ontology and cosmology, and his conception of the Eternal Recurrence of > the > Same, viewed from a scientific perspective. Together, they have recently > published several essays: "Friedrich Nietzsche as a Bridge from 19th > Century > Atomistic Science to the Process Philosophy of 20th Century Physics, > Literature, and Ethics," "Nietzsche's Ontological Roots in Goethe's > Classicism," which appears in the volume Nietzsche and Antiquity, > "Nietzsche's 'Postmodernism': A Return to 'Classicism'," and "The Effect > of > Nietzsche's Aesthetics on the Art of the Twentieth Century." > > > Friday, December 9th, 2005 > NYU's Deutsches Haus > 42 Washington Mews (at University Place) > 7 PM > > Admission: $5 > > > Wine and cheese reception to follow dialogue with audience at the end of > the > presentation. > Thank you for your support and interest and we look forward to seeing you > at > our events. > > > "My general task is to show how life, philosophy, and art can have a > deeper > and familial relationship to each other, without philosophy becoming > shallow > and the life of the philosopher becoming untruthful." - Nietzsche > > > WEBSITE NOTE: > > In several days, the flier for this event will be posted on our temporary > website; within two weeks, the official website of the Nietzsche Circle > will > be open for viewing and include essays, book reviews, a discussion forum, > and more. Please visit this site in the near future to see the new > developments. > > http://nietzschecircle.com > > > Our fiscal sponsor: > > http://www.fracturedatlas.org/site/fiscal/?do=browse_projects&category=Oth > er&letter=N From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 08:12:43 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1GCf2g020622 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:12:42 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB1GCf6X020617 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:12:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1GCcPu020607 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:12:39 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so391697wri for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:12:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VByOG9fzcuHVsqvzbaLWixWNVYLLecXRaX94cFUu0jNsYX26qDIkcCgtJCCrbkuDr3nLEhrL54pJRF1BuYCnJVG1KJ77uFhbx/jx1AaFcZ0jArFx+bELyPvVMcadPJJaAe2Pjf2oRTp8kSCO+XhXmdCBc/rFkt5O6phzLZdV5X0= Received: by 10.64.150.8 with SMTP id x8mr931783qbd; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.197.1 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:12:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6f10fa9d0512010812s588b9593n274063865c84cfd> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:12:46 -0800 From: Dennis Moore To: Babel-list Subject: Re: FW: MC5 - Links & Federal Court Ruling ..redux: True Testimonial In-Reply-To: <6f10fa9d0512010809l27da02cdw91c2cfa2b6e32449> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <6f10fa9d0512010809l27da02cdw91c2cfa2b6e32449> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id jB1GCdPu020608 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Like many things you have to laugh at the absurdity of it all to keep from crying..... On 12/1/05, Dennis Moore wrote: > > Federal Court ruling details and commentary: http://tinyurl.com/72tmp > > Too funny---- From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 08:09:27 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1G9Qm0020510 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:09:27 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB1G9QWd020509 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:09:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1G9O3U020504 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:09:25 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so387472wri for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:09:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bnZ0QaRgIYm0PfcAvhXFKFxuNLZLXNbWEIXYxFEyVXezw4Lgczfr70vcAyaL8JpjmiSfY/5VU7Ki+/9NSthAfllj9bN9pVrXsMsi9tnWpcUKlzA1g5bCwhCN0mIKgH61jHkfOi0ZUE/z+QzffGCnOGXD76JiQIYQO6Dfb/krMws= Received: by 10.65.197.18 with SMTP id z18mr905018qbp; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.197.1 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:09:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6f10fa9d0512010809l27da02cdw91c2cfa2b6e32449> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:09:31 -0800 From: Dennis Moore To: Babel-list Subject: Re: FW: MC5 - Links & Federal Court Ruling ..redux: True Testimonial MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id jB1G9P3U020505 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > Federal Court ruling details and commentary: http://tinyurl.com/72tmp Too funny----taken from the forum: ....... You wrote: While the critically acclaimed "True Testimonial" sits on a shelf... Actually it's downloadable via the internet. And it's a great movie. It's a motherfucker! Love & Guts, Poly ..... Leger, there are inferior boot dvd copies in my local indie music store, so the cat's out of the bag. (Yet another reasons why you watch your masters like a hawk.) At this point the filmakers and Kramer are screwed until they can get an *official* release out there (and even then there is no guarantee of profit), so which would prefer? 1.) people pay 19.99 for a boot dvd? 2.) have available for download via a torrent so everyone can see it for nothing? No matter what happens now, neither of the creative parites involved are going to see much profit out of this because the people who really want top see this will find an illegal copy. If the filmakers where smart they'd set up a PayPal account for "donations". It won't pay their salaries, but it might cover tape stock. Cheers, jB ..... Yeah, thanks for this. Just a note...there are alot more boot copies of "A True Testimonial" since I last posted here. I played a show with a band from Montreal last week, and the guitarist and I were talking about music and I said, "Have you seen the MC5 doc?" "A True Testinonial? Yeah, got a boot copy in Toronto 6 months ago." From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 14:09:20 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1M9K4H005785 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:09:20 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB1M9K5g005783 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:09:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1M9IZT005765 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:09:19 -0800 Received: from Aphinar by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id m.249.2a5a48d (4328) for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:09:12 -0500 (EST) From: Aphinar Message-ID: <249.2a5a48d.30c0ce88> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:09:12 EST Subject: Fusilli "Thirty years later and better than ever" To: babel-list (Babel-list) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 X-Spam-Flag: NO Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Wednesday's Journal contains a rather glowing article on Patti Smith, Horses, &c, by Jim Fusilli: The Wall Street Journal, 30 November 2005, page D12 Jay Dillon Jay Dillon Rare Books + Manuscripts, LLC From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 14:49:12 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1MnBD9012015 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:49:12 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB1MnBSx012014 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:49:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.168]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id jB1Mn65e011984 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:49:08 -0800 Received: (qmail 27380 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2005 22:49:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6V5jpGwM5gatTXRLYT4wXVur3m7cX4BZ3cO7xlA4nzkIA/mVFNfPEeh+r4d0oWBcEAhFfcbOMYd0c6Rk5bCtEAGkxLiwNHomWAU8WDIows73MX07Fr/GX1M1aQuPJngCBy/asOp67pMrAZeHWnTtE+ilLOzqgrWz19Arx0booc8= ; Message-ID: <20051201224907.27378.qmail> Received: from [204.68.210.59] by web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:49:07 PST Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: Li Lightfoot Subject: Re: Fusilli "Thirty years later and better than ever" To: Aphinar, Babel-list In-Reply-To: <249.2a5a48d.30c0ce88> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ What a fuckin' trip - Patti would have puked over a positive review in the WSJ 30 years ago - I wonder how she feels about it today? It's still the ultimate mouthpiece of the corporate elite and a consistent force for war in all its many profitable manifestations. On reflection, I'd say a positive review in the WSJ is an insult! LL Aphinar wrote: Wednesday's Journal contains a rather glowing article on Patti Smith, Horses, &c, by Jim Fusilli: The Wall Street Journal, 30 November 2005, page D12 Jay Dillon HREF="http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bx=off&sts=t&ds=30&vci=221241&bi=0&kn=Patti&sortby=2">Jay Dillon Rare Books + Manuscripts, LLC From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 15:55:04 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1Nt4Af020636 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:55:04 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB1Nt4gZ020635 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:55:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from nessie.crosslink.net (smmsp [206.246.124.31]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1Nt2n2020622 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:55:03 -0800 Received: from DFL67R61.crosslink.net (dial069.northumberland.248.crosslink.net [209.147.70.88]) by nessie.crosslink.net (8.12.3/) with ESMTP id jB1Nt69R007968 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:55:07 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051201185242.01e5ba58> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:55:06 -0500 To: babel-list From: Phil Grabar Subject: another Patti BAM review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Rock Icon Patti Smith Still at top of Her Form By Frank Scheck That Patti Smith has evolved from punk pioneer to rock legend was made obvious by the location of this 30th anniversary performance of her groundbreaking and recently re-released album "Horses." Rather than in a club like CBGB or one of its larger equivalents, the show was presented at the Brooklyn Academy of Music's Opera House, a venue more frequently inhabited by the likes of the Royal Shakespeare Company and the Mark Morris Dance Company. The performance well demonstrated that though she is pushing 60 and sports gray hair instead of black, Smith has lost none of her ferocious power. From the first line of the famous album opener "Gloria" -- "Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine" -- to the mournful closing notes of "Elegie," she and her band delivered a performance of blazing intensity that actually managed to outshine the original. Clad in similar style to the album cover photo of her shot by Robert Mapplethorpe, Smith both re-created and expanded upon the music. Original Patti Smith Group members Lenny Kaye (guitar) and Jay Dee Daugherty (drums) were augmented by Television guitarist Tom Verlaine, Tony Shanahan on keyboards and typically energetic bassist Flea, who also contributed an impressive trumpet solo to "Elegie." From its use of spoken-word poetry and excerpts from rock classics to its prefiguring of new wave and punk, "Horses" displayed a stylistic breadth and imagination that was perfectly conveyed here. And though Smith might be at the age where she has to reach for her glasses before delivering some of the denser lyrical material (a gesture that amusingly garnered cheers from the largely boomer crowd), she had no difficulty recapturing the music's manic energy. After the formal delivery of the album in its entirety, Smith and company rewarded the audience with a lengthy second segment featuring impassioned renditions of such classics as "Southern Cross," "Because the Night," "Dancing Barefoot" and "Rock and Roll Nigger." The performances well justified a well-timed outburst from one irate patron: "They should have put you in the hall of fame, Patti!" Reuters/Hollywood Reporter No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: 11/27/2005 From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 15:58:02 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1Nw07v020907 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:58:02 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB1Nw0lC020906 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:58:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB1Nvw4s020889 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:57:59 -0800 Received: from Poemsl1 by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id m.12e.6ba24073 (48624); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:57:58 -0500 (EST) From: Poemsl1 Message-ID: <12e.6ba24073.30c0e805> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:57:57 EST Subject: BAM: Rock icon Patti Smith still at top of her form To: babel-list, eternalcafe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ _http://tinyurl.com/ayfxr_ (http://tinyurl.com/ayfxr) xxo- Seena From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 16:06:15 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB206DTr021932 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:06:14 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB206DSF021931 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:06:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB206B2w021913 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:06:12 -0800 Received: from Poemsl1 by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id m.29a.cb9f0c (48624); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:06:05 -0500 (EST) From: Poemsl1 Message-ID: <29a.cb9f0c.30c0e9ec> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:06:04 EST Subject: Horses/Horses To: babel-list, eternalcafe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ xxo- Seena >From The Irish Times: PATTI SMITH Horses Sony/BMG **** Subtitled "the 30th anniversary legacy edition", and the key word is legacy. Like a Velvet Underground record, not a huge amount of people bought the album on its release, but those that did were profoundly influenced by it (just ask REM, or Morrissey). This is a vertiginous combo of beat poetry and garage rock, and it's as potent now as it was then. From Gloria to Elegie, Smith spits it out in an almost regal manner. It can be all summed up by a rather perplexing and downright ignorant review of the time, which read something like "Before Horses I wouldn't have bought an album with a chick as the lead singer". Nice one, mister - try saying that to her face. The second disc here is taken from a complete performance of the album at this year's Meltdown Festival. The band on the night featured Television's Tom Verlaine and Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers. And don't miss the encore of The Who's My Generation. Brian Boyd From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 18:03:34 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB223Ww3006507 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:03:34 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB223WP8006505 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:03:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB223Vsg006482 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:03:31 -0800 Received: from hppav (c-67-168-134-61.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.168.134.61]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005120202032501300pipafe>; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:03:25 +0000 Message-ID: <014d01c5f6e4$bb6286e0$3d86a843> From: "PageRox" To: "Li Lightfoot" , "Babel" References: <20051201224907.27378.qmail> Subject: Re: Fusilli "Thirty years later and better than ever" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:04:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Yeah, Li--I think this rather strange as well, tho I wouldn't go as far as to say its an INSULT, I'd just say its strange! (Ain't it?!) XO-Glenna ----- Original Message ----- From: Li Lightfoot To: Aphinar ; Babel-list Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Fusilli "Thirty years later and better than ever" What a fuckin' trip - Patti would have puked over a positive review in the WSJ 30 years ago - I wonder how she feels about it today? It's still the ultimate mouthpiece of the corporate elite and a consistent force for war in all its many profitable manifestations. On reflection, I'd say a positive review in the WSJ is an insult! LL Aphinar wrote: Wednesday's Journal contains a rather glowing article on Patti Smith, Horses, &c, by Jim Fusilli: The Wall Street Journal, 30 November 2005, page D12 Jay Dillon HREF="http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bx=off&sts=t&ds=30& vci=221241&bi=0&kn=Patti&sortby=2">Jay Dillon Rare Books + Manuscripts, LLC From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 17:57:24 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB21vNeJ005656 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:57:24 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB21vNiI005655 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:57:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB21vM6d005645 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:57:22 -0800 Received: from elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.34]) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ei0Ax-0004dV-00; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:57:27 -0500 Message-ID: <27558756.1133488647901.JavaMail.root> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:57:27 -0500 (EST) From: timdeg Reply-To: timdeg To: babel-list, eternalcafe Subject: Horses/Horses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ from Pitchfork: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/s/smith_patti/horses.shtml Patti Smith sounded both young and old on her 1975 debut, Horses: young because only a young punk can slink into the spotlight and sell an opening line like, "Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine"; old, because she was dead serious and sophisticated, an ur-punk but also a poetess and a singer who knew to stop this close to overindulgence. Like her hero Jim Morrison she wrote absurd verses more fit for a diary than a rock 'n' roll record, but could also follow them with lines that genuinely terrified. Smith is the fountainhead for the punks, grrrls, rockers, and artists that have worn the shit out of this record in their most raw, needy hours, and who study and mimic everything she does with that voice-- which is all rends, tears, and bite marks, and no clean cuts. So it feels cheap not to put this fully on a pedestal, even if "Land"'s meandering free verse makes a poor bookend for the enraged lust of "Gloria", and "Elegie" is a turgid closer. The flaws don't matter: Horses is an album of its time-- not because it's dated, but because it precariously captures a phase in Smith's life, and when all the raw elements fall in place, it feels miraculous. Take "Birdland". Just like in a jazz ballad, you can practically hear the band breathing in sync, and the slightest misjudgment would screw up the flow of Smith's surreal-- but straightforwardly powerful-- poem. But Lenny Kaye's guitar stretches effortlessly from post-funeral ballad to ecstatic, crazy fury, and Smith's performance is fierce and horribly unbeautiful. "It was as if someone had spread butter on all the fine points of the stars/ 'Cause when he looked up they started to slip." Holy God is she a poet, and she hurls those words so accurately you want to scream and give up too. That was 30 years ago. Today, Smith is unavoidably grown up, stuck in the canon, and well defined, and that's the artist we hear on the bonus disc in this package, a live track-by-track recital of Horses from the Meltdown Festival in London, this past June. She took the stage with old friends Tom Verlaine and Lenny Kaye on guitar and Jay Dee Daugherty on drums. They knocked the roof off-- but they don't match the original. "Birdland" is fitful and noisy, the segue from "Lands" back to a "Gloria" reprise seems like a cop-out, and Smith's wild poetess thing has settled into something a little more, hey, settled, like when she complains about how much time we spend on email and Blackberrys. "Elegie" takes far more meaning now that she has a list of loved ones to commemorate, like Robert Mapplethorpe, or her own husband. But play it back to back with the debut, and instead of a transformative force, you hear an old familiar voice cranking about George Bush. Here's the thing about growing up: You don't know when it happens until later, but if you could catch it, it would be an amazingly quick moment-- like the point where you toss a ball in the air and it comes to a complete halt before it starts to fall to the ground. When we talk about youth and rock and roll, we're looking for that moment, of not being one thing or the other but of straddling both, of making mistakes that are above and beneath us, of a crest of energy as the ball gets ready to stop. We're talking about Smith changing from the twentysomething poet who decided to add guitar to her readings, and about an artist who can ape the last generation even as she spawns the next one. Or a performance like her old take of "My Generation", where she and John Cale knock the shit out of the by-then-ancient Who classic and Smith wraps with the wail, "I'm so young, I'm so goddamn young"-- and she's still, barely, right. -Chris Dahlen, December 1, 2005 From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 18:24:19 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB22OJbF009435 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:24:19 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB22OJYK009434 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:24:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB22OG7Q009412 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:24:18 -0800 Received: from hppav (c-67-168-134-61.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.168.134.61]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051202022421014005sobpe>; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:24:21 +0000 Message-ID: <017401c5f6e7$a7e04be0$3d86a843> From: "PageRox" To: "Dennis Moore" , "Babel-list" References: <6f10fa9d0512010809l27da02cdw91c2cfa2b6e32449> Subject: Re: FW: MC5 - Links & Federal Court Ruling ..redux: True Testimonial Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:25:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Is this on a bit torrent site or what? Let me know offlist--I ain't afraid of the RIAA! ;-) XO-Glenna ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Moore To: Babel-list Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: Re: FW: MC5 - Links & Federal Court Ruling ..redux: True Testimonial > Federal Court ruling details and commentary: http://tinyurl.com/72tmp Too funny----taken from the forum: ....... You wrote: While the critically acclaimed "True Testimonial" sits on a shelf... Actually it's downloadable via the internet. And it's a great movie. It's a motherfucker! Love & Guts, Poly ..... Leger, there are inferior boot dvd copies in my local indie music store, so the cat's out of the bag. (Yet another reasons why you watch your masters like a hawk.) At this point the filmakers and Kramer are screwed until they can get an *official* release out there (and even then there is no guarantee of profit), so which would prefer? 1.) people pay 19.99 for a boot dvd? 2.) have available for download via a torrent so everyone can see it for nothing? No matter what happens now, neither of the creative parites involved are going to see much profit out of this because the people who really want top see this will find an illegal copy. If the filmakers where smart they'd set up a PayPal account for "donations". It won't pay their salaries, but it might cover tape stock. Cheers, jB ..... Yeah, thanks for this. Just a note...there are alot more boot copies of "A True Testimonial" since I last posted here. I played a show with a band from Montreal last week, and the guitarist and I were talking about music and I said, "Have you seen the MC5 doc?" "A True Testinonial? Yeah, got a boot copy in Toronto 6 months ago." From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 18:25:16 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB22PFaB009574 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:25:15 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB22PDHe009570 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:25:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB22P82h009541 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:25:09 -0800 Received: from hppav (c-67-168-134-61.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.168.134.61]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051202022515015004ep2pe>; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:25:15 +0000 Message-ID: <017c01c5f6e7$c7f493a0$3d86a843> From: "PageRox" To: "Dennis Moore" , "Babel-list" References: <6f10fa9d0512010809l27da02cdw91c2cfa2b6e32449> <6f10fa9d0512010812s588b9593n274063865c84cfd> Subject: Re: FW: MC5 - Links & Federal Court Ruling ..redux: True Testimonial Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:26:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ NO SHIT, DENNIS!!!! XO-yer pal in the Jet City! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Moore To: Babel-list Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:12 AM Subject: Re: FW: MC5 - Links & Federal Court Ruling ..redux: True Testimonial Like many things you have to laugh at the absurdity of it all to keep from crying..... On 12/1/05, Dennis Moore wrote: > > Federal Court ruling details and commentary: http://tinyurl.com/72tmp > > Too funny---- From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 18:28:20 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB22SIFD009995 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:28:19 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB22SI1l009994 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:28:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB22SHQc009971 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:28:17 -0800 Received: from hppav (c-67-168-134-61.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.168.134.61]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005120202283201300pm2j2e>; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:28:32 +0000 Message-ID: <018401c5f6e8$3d8e2ae0$3d86a843> From: "PageRox" To: "Dennis Moore" , "Babel-list" , "EternalCafe" References: <6f10fa9d0512010749r2af92a4ex7a6f15eedb2349e4> Subject: Re: [npc] Fwd: FW: NIETZSCHE & THE FUTURE OF ART - NYC event, Dec. 9 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:29:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Dennis wrote: Friedrich Ulfers and Mark Daniel Cohen are preparing a book of Nietzsche's > ontology and cosmology, and his conception of the Eternal Recurrence of > the > Same, viewed from a scientific perspective. I'd love to read that when it comes out! I'm not much on philosophy study, but this sounds very interesting to me! Thanks for hippin' me to it! XO-Glenna From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 20:07:30 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB247UCG019157 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:07:30 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB247TpE019156 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:07:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB247Q3k019143 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:07:27 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so10668wra for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:07:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Mxaci9awnI0un+Kvz6ut+bKcG/ugLPt4llJRs7h6d3nd6MinxROCT4ztUz+1hFoLAkGH5c51XGFQC3z81QiDBrmWMoCJzoM+0RMFXllAyLVG+dKsYo6/df7ruSO0uAKjfEqe629YyMpu1o66JSf5hP72bUekkw9umrWvx+oUzY4= Received: by 10.64.149.6 with SMTP id w6mr60988qbd; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:07:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.197.1 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:07:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6f10fa9d0512012007x5ad69416pd13ea5892a1728ed> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:07:19 -0800 From: Dennis Moore To: Babel-list Subject: Fwd: [eternalcafe] bowery ballroom In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ for all you lucky cusses ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: adamschanke Date: Dec 1, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: [eternalcafe] bowery ballroom To: eternalcafe on sale tomorrow at noon opeace adam SPONSORED LINKS Cafe tables Cafe equipment Cafe business plan Cafe chair Internet cafes Cafe internet ------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group "eternalcafe" on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: eternalcafe-unsubscribe - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ------------------------------ From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 1 23:59:25 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB27xPxQ025352 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:59:25 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB27xPqD025351 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:59:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Message-Id: <200512020635.jB26ZoJ09664> Subject: Patti interview on U2.com To: babel-list Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:35:50 -0500 (EST) From: "weapons of mass destruction-related program activities"@penguin.postmodern.com Reply-To: spamtony (Anthony J. Rzepela) Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Looks like this was actually put up on the U2 site _before_ the MSG shows: http://www.u2.com/highlights/index.php?hid=194 Patti The Punk Rocker U2 have had some pretty cool acts playing with them during 2005 but none as legendary or influential as Patti Smith who will support them at Madison Square Garden early next week. It was thirty years ago this month that Patti's debut album Horses was released, an album that was to have a seminal influence on four teenage musicians in Dublin - and thousands of others worldwide. As long ago as 1988 U2 covered 'Dancing Barefoot' for a b-side release and during Vertigo '05 shows they've interjected snatches of her songs 'Rock'n'Roll Nigger' into Vertigo and 'The People Have The Power' into Bad. Earlier this week, Bono dedicated Wild Horses to 'Patti the punk rocker'. A remastered version of Horses has just been released, complete with a live version performed at the Meltdown Festival in London in the summer. You can find out more about what she is up to [at www.pattismith.net]. U2.Com caught up with Patti on the US West Coast earlier this week and discovered how Michael Stipe surprised her by taking her along to a U2 show last month, why she thought they sound 'like a punk rock band', which member of the band she met as a teenager and how 'art is meant for the people'. U2.Com: Are you touring with the band at present or doing poetry readings? Right now I'm doing a little tour with Lenny Kaye to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary of our record Horses. Since Lenny and I developed most of the songs together we thought it would be nice to visit some of those place where we first performed those songs. So we've been performing acoustically on the West Coast and then I've also been doing some readings because I have a new book of poetry coming out. Even though I have been around for a long time, I still feel that I have something to contribute and I think next year we will do a cover album, songs that have taught and inspired me through the years. We'll sit down and look at the whole canon of rock'n'roll and choose some songs where writers have spoken for me. U2.Com: Does the thirtieth anniversary of Horses give you pause for reflection? I was surprised when I realised it would be thirty years. I hadn't really realised it and I am actually quite proud because I feel I am still in touch with the songs. I feel very healthy and I still feel able to project the songs. I feel very good about where we are right now but I am also proud to have done a body of work which has proved meaningful to people. To mark the thirtieth anniversary we started out performing Horses live in sequence at the Meltdown Festival in the summer with Tom Verlaine and with Flea from the Red Hot Chilli Peppers and that was exciting so we will do the same at the Brooklyn Academy of Music on November 30th . We will have celebrated in London, on the West Coast and then in New York. U2.Com: Did you ever imagine that album would prove so influential - and for so long? No. I was just hoping the record would inspire people. When I recorded Horses I wanted to make a record for people like myself, who were outside society, who felt disenfranchised. I really never imagined that it would have any big impact, but I thought some people might find it helpful so it is really quite amazing and a wonderful feeling that it still means something to people thirty years later. U2.Com: At the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame Awards earlier this year, Larry noted your influence on U2 as a young band and said that you were in U2's Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame. Is that kind of recognition rewarding? That means more to me than the recognition of the Hall of Fame itself, because the recognition of one's peers and fellow musicians is what really counts, It is an honour to be recognised by such institutions but I have say to be in 'U2's Hall of Fame' is really special, to be in the People's Hall of Fame is all one needs. I feel very touched by that. One doesn't really realise this impact at the time or think about it. I never realised truthfully that we had any impact on these younger groups and when I listen to them, they are so strong and have such unique qualities that I certainly see no comparison but I think that if we did anything to inspire these groups or to give them courage or to help them feel not alone then we did our job. U2.Com: It seems improbable but when you support U2 next week it will be the first time you have ever played Madison Square Garden. Yes, our first time! Even though our band is American we are still a fairly marginalised band and I have to say that probably we would have never gotten an opportunity to play at MSG if someone didn't give us a chance. In my thirty-plus years this is the first time I have been invited by a band to play so it is great. Not only are we going to experience being a New York band playing at the Garden - which is a dream - but we are doing it with people who share our beliefs and who are such an important part of the current cultural voice. U2.Com: Were you surprised at the invitation? Yes and I was excited. We had to make some last minute adjustments but we did everything we could in order to do the job and we'll do the best we can to provide a good energy. Not that they need it but it has always been my policy, whether opening for Bob Dylan or Neil Young or any young group we admire, that our job is to create a good atmosphere on stage so that when the headliner walks on stage they feel a positive spirit. We'll do our best! U2.Com: You saw the band play on the current tour, in New York last month. What did you make of the show? I was actually on my way to Africa but Michael Stipe called me and picked me up and said, 'I know you have a plane to catch in a few hours but I am whisking you off to Madison Square Garden.' And it was so great, such fun to attend the show with U2 and dance all night with Michael. Of course their older songs are thrilling but they played Vertigo which is one of my favourite songs, such a fresh energy. In fact as they were playing I was thinking, 'Gees, they sound like a punk rock band, they sound like our band. in fact I think we make the grade, that we could play this song just as good as them.' Then I realised that they were doing our song, Rock'n'Roll Nigger, so no wonder they sounded just like us! I was laughing when I realised they were playing one of our songs. But the strength of the show took me right back to CBGB's in the 1970's, I was so moved by the whole thing: everything you want in rock'n'roll, the sexual energy, the emotional energy, the political concerns. but music you can dance to and express yourself in. It was all there. U2.Com: You've met the band over the years, as well as seen them play before. I had seen them before this last show and it's always a great experience: great singer and lyricist, great to hear that Edge clarion call, and one of the greatest rhythm sections in rock'n'roll. They've also been to our concerts and I always find them very supportive and friendly. The story I remember most is from the 1970's, when our band weren't allowed to travel to Ireland because of the unrest so I went with just my piano player. We visited a church, and there were a lot of poor kids and struggling kids and I read poems and talked and sang songs with an old upright piano and we talked about rock'n'roll as something from the grassroots that didn't belong to the rich or to business but something that was the people's art. We talked about how everyone in that room was capable and deserving of expressing themselves. And one of the people who was there was Larry, he was just a young boy, and he has told me about that since and we talked about Africa, about Ethiopia and all the things you can do through music . artistically, poetically. And that was my first contact with Larry. I think that's what made it so much more amazing for him to say those words about me when he was inducted into the Hall of Fame. He comes by where he is very honestly so I am very proud to see where he has risen to. U2.Com: What do you find in U2's music? When I first heard U2 in the eighties I was living in Michigan and had withdrawn from the public arena. There was something in their music that deeply touched me, even when I knew nothing about them. I felt whoever this band was, these were our people, their music had such a merging of tradition with the new, r'n'b with 70's aspects..but all new. And there was always this political concern as well, a human concern, whether songs about love or self- exploration or the state of their own country or revolution. It's the things that our band always sought, and still does, but what U2 has is something far beyond what I was able to do myself . to take these aspects and to really communicate with the public consciousness, to create songs that people really respond to. I don't think that one has to be obscure or marginalised to be a true artist. Art is meant for the people and political awareness is meant for the people and I am so happy to see one of the biggest bands in the world not only creating music the people respond to, but music that encourages them and teaches them. U2.Com: In recent shows U2 have been marrying your song 'The People Have The Power' with their song 'Bad'. I still believe that the people have the power but they have forgotten how to exercise that power and it's important to remind and encourage people of that. My late husband Fred Sonic Smith wrote it with me and we wrote it for the people to have it, for people to be inspired by it and certainly U2 is going to connect with more people than I ever could, so I am really grateful that they have chosen to do that. There is a lot of similarity in our bands, our motivations are similar, humanistic, concerned about our people, our environment and we both like to have fun. Spiritual concerns, political concerns, poetic concerns - and a lot of dancing.' Patti Smith will play with U2 at Madison Square Garden on November 21st and 22nd. From babel-list-owner Fri Dec 2 04:51:43 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB2Cphti002200 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:51:43 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB2CphKm002199 for babel-list-obscured; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:51:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB2CpfU0002192 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:51:42 -0800 Received: from GoRimbaud by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id m.2bf.4c6dbe (16930) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:51:28 -0500 (EST) From: GoRimbaud Message-ID: <2bf.4c6dbe.30c19d50> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:51:28 EST Subject: Patti Lee reviewed in today's NYTimes! To: babel-list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 206 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/02/arts/music/02patt.html Rock Review | Patti Smith Celebrating 'Horses' and Everything After By LAURA SINAGRA Published: December 2, 2005 Patti Smith appeared at the Brooklyn Academy of Music on Wednesday dressed as her younger self in Robert Mapplethorpe's cover photo for her seminal 1975 album, "Horses." This year the punk godmother has celebrated the record's 30th anniversary by playing it at the Meltdown Festival in London, and now here. Aside from the gray hair, Ms. Smith's spindly, androgynous figure - still kinetic and fist-pumping - appears uncannily unchanged. Her use of space is still pure Antonin Artaud and Theater of Cruelty, with its emphasis on convulsive rigor. With the first salvo from the album-opening "Gloria" - "Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine" - her full-throated alto pushed to the corners of the room. When the beat kicked in, she took the place to catharsis with easy command. The band matched her thrust. The writer and guitarist Lenny Kaye, a longtime co-conspirator, led the reconstituted Patti Smith Group, which was absent Ivan Kral and Richard Sohl, who is deceased, and included three newcomers: the keyboardist-guitarist Tony Shanahan, the bassist Flea, and Ms. Smith's fellow punk pioneer, the guitarist Tom Verlaine. If the transition from "Gloria" to the reggae vamp "Redondo Beach" felt like an energy dip, Ms. Smith tore through the later "Land" suite, a surreal conflation of sex, violence, teeny-bopper dance crazes, and rock 'n' roll redemption. But this time, as Ms. Smith riffed on global destruction, the "sea of possibility" that the song envisions took on a more menacing churn. Life will do that. Since 1975, Ms. Smith has experienced, among other things, a serious neck injury from a stage fall; an extended break from music; a marriage to Fred (Sonic) Smith of the MC5, and his subsequent death; the raising of their two children; the deaths of a brother, her mother and some close friends; and a move into political activism. After dispensing with "Horses," when Ms. Smith returned for the night's second set, dressed in a cropped leather jacket, she seemed years younger. This portion's honest exploration of more communal concerns was raw and fresh, if less excitingly brash. Strumming acoustic guitars on "Southern Cross," the whip-thin Mr. Kaye and Ms. Smith conjured the aggression of mating mantises. Later songs cycled through faith and doubt. The doo-wop plea for mercy "We Three" was countered by the love-submission anthem "Dancing Barefoot" and the ultimately hopeful "My Blakean Year." The show climaxed with a speed-metal version of the still-problematic "Rock 'n' Roll Nigger." This bid to reclaim a slur has always seemed like overreach. The song's sentiment, though, continues a thread extending from the working-class rant of Ms. Smith's first single through her current Katrina-aid advocacy, a belief that renewal can rise out of abject wreckage. From babel-list-owner Fri Dec 2 05:42:51 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB2DgmQl003766 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:42:51 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB2DglSV003765 for babel-list-obscured; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:42:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB2DgjdN003759 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:42:46 -0800 Received: from elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.34]) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EiBBU-0002RP-00 for babel-list; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:42:44 -0500 Message-ID: <4727101.1133530964897.JavaMail.root> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:42:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Michael Reply-To: Michael To: babel-list Subject: BAM 12/01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Great performance last night!! Back to 1975 for the Horses segment, then a second segment with some real chestnuts, including a dirge-like cover of "Are You Experienced". For the second segment Patti came out with a long red ribbon, and spoke eloquently about World AIDS Day, of course mentioning Robert Mapplethorpe. Thanks to Deesta, very nice to meet you and David! From babel-list-owner Fri Dec 2 20:42:56 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB34gutE000602 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:42:56 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB34gufA000601 for babel-list-obscured; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:42:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from web33414.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33414.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.146]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id jB34gs5c000591 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:42:55 -0800 Received: (qmail 36056 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2005 04:42:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Cuz0cQxLCAVFs+lpkZjhrBHp96FyRCcro3HGd1jmucTn8lFKI4QI970Ik4ZtK9cu1GAf5L7FLGT+lfV6HRL+de/GxW86YZ3ZUG2R9ubB2rON0g1SBUjvkvX35NvoSpZeRO4MsT1Bqlh4Qxp45mEiEZ+sTb91D6dBHuSW8yXvtZo= ; Message-ID: <20051203044249.36054.qmail> Received: from [165.247.41.99] by web33414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:42:49 PST Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: dreams Subject: patti and friends at bklyn academy of music To: babel-list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ this show was one of the best. i've never been to bam its a nice place. patti had jessie play piano for one song (set list nor near computer) and she was wearing the coolest jacket it looked like suede with fringe on the tops of the arms while playing are you experienced. flea from red hot chili peppers was incredible all in all it was a great show. started bout 745 and ended around 950 thanks patti, band and guests. does anyone know if flea will be at the bowery show on the 30th? dreams http://www.liz.drgnlord.com http:// www.drgnlord.com chk out my friends site __________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From babel-list-owner Mon Dec 5 12:13:32 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB5KDWGY006451 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:13:32 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB5KDWC8006450 for babel-list-obscured; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:13:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB5KDUTZ006443 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:13:31 -0800 Received: from mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.51]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EjMiN-0002VE-00 for babel-list; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:13:35 -0500 Message-ID: <23838940.1133813615411.JavaMail.root> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:13:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: "Douglas W. Corkhill" Reply-To: "Douglas W. Corkhill" To: babel-list Subject: de l'ame pour l'ame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Imagine being given the opportunity to see and hear a musical artist perform one of their most influential albums, in its entirety, in the sequence it was recorded. The mind is boggled; Bruce Springsteen playing Born To Run from front to back. The Rolling Stones and Let It Bleed, or Sticky Fingers. Bob Dylan Revisting Highway 61. For two nights in new York City last week rock singer-poet-priestess-goddess Patti Smith celebrated the 30th anniversary of her debut album Horses doing just that. She did not recreate the songs, rather reinterpreted the music as both she and horses have matured. Held at the gorgeous Brooklyn Academy of Music it was truly an occasion of rock meets art. For me, the decision to attend one of these shows was simple. I have admired Smith's music for years, introduced through her collaboration with Springsteen on Because the Night in 1978, and have seen her play in small clubs in North Carolina and in New York City on her birthday twice. In my never ending quest for the perfect concert moment I knew this show would be special - and I was going. I didn't realize just how special upon entering the concert hall, with its high, ornate ceiling, gilded balconies and box seats hovering like saucers flying beside the stage. I didn't realize how special when I was handed a program from the usher, complete with a playlist and biography of the band. It wasn't until the lights dimmed, they walked on stage and Patti sang the first line of Gloria; "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine," that I knew that this was not your average rock and roll show. Patti and the band attacked the first four songs with unbridled passion. Patti was pumped during Gloria, relaxed in Redondo beach, channeled her poetic soul for Birdland and unleashed a frenzy in Free Money. Flea, bass player with the Red Hot Chili Peppers playing now with Patti, was barely able to contain his energy, marching in place and then hopping during the first sides' final cut. "Side two," Patti smiled and said before Kimberly. Both the band and the audience took a collective breath at the start before Flea got funky on the bass, Lenny Kaye ripped some surf guitar and then Patti and Lenny danced to the song's sweet ending. Patti recited a poem to Jim Morrison before Break It Up, then pounded on her heart singing "I feel my heart breaking." The centerpiece of the album, the three part opus Land, was completely reworked. The opening ode to "Johnny" was reworded, the Land of a Thousand Dances portion churned with ferocious energy and the concluding La Mer was replaced with lyrics that invoked the streets of Tanagers. In spite of the changes the crowd was the most responsive of the night, on their feet and dancing in the aisles. Everyone - Patti, the band, the audience - took another deep breath as Flea turned bass duties over to long time drummer Jay Dee Daugherty and picked up the trumpet for the album ending Elegie. Promising "We'll be right back," Patti led the band off stage to the fifth (or was it the sixth?) standing ovation of the night. Horses was complete but the night was not yet over. Unlike the first set, which was a unified whole, the second set was a pastiche. Proving her past was both punk and psychedelic Patti played clarinet on a mesmerizing cover of Are You Experienced? After reminding the audience that the day (December 1) was International Aids Day and railing against governments and corporations that don't do more to make medicine available to the poor around the world, she and Lenny played acoustic guitars on a simply sublime Southern Cross. Patti kept her shoes and socks on while going out into the audience during Dancing Barefoot, then began Because the Night serenading a stuffed Gumby doll. The set ending Rock and Roll Nigger included both a snippet of Land's lost La Mer as well as a reprise of Gloria's opening line. Returning for an encore that truly felt earned and not scripted, Patti invoked her late husband Fred "Sonic" Smith. She told of how when the two of them wrote the song People Have the Power in "oh...1987," her daughter was kicking her from inside the womb. This night daughter joined mother onstage for the finale. "She'll probably kick me again after the show," the proud mom said before ending the night with the fist pumping anthem. In the program Lenny Kaye writes of the "great privilege and honor" it is for them to "share this milestone moment of Horses' lifeline in Brooklyn." Also in the program, just above the playlist, is "de l'ame pour l'ame." Translated literally, this means "from the soul, for the soul". Thank you, Patti; my soul is enriched for having been there. Doug (sad because they were out of "Horses Changed My Life" buttons by the time I got there) From babel-list-owner Tue Dec 6 17:53:17 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB71rFjY005998 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:53:17 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB71rF7d005997 for babel-list-obscured; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:53:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB71rCAZ005975 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:53:14 -0800 Received: from xyz (c-24-7-76-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[24.7.76.159]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005120701531001400aprpge>; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:53:10 +0000 From: "J" To: Subject: RE: de l'ame pour l'ame Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:53:13 -0800 Message-ID: <001a01c5fad0$fc83ba00$6401a8c0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <23838940.1133813615411.JavaMail.root> Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Can I just say I'm jealous and leave it at that? _______________________ J > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-babel-list > [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of Douglas > W. Corkhill > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:14 PM > To: babel-list > Subject: de l'ame pour l'ame > > > Imagine being given the opportunity to see and hear a musical > artist perform one of their most influential albums, in its > entirety, in the sequence it was recorded. The mind is > boggled; Bruce Springsteen playing Born To Run from front to > back. The Rolling Stones and Let It Bleed, or Sticky > Fingers. Bob Dylan Revisting Highway 61. > > For two nights in new York City last week rock > singer-poet-priestess-goddess Patti Smith celebrated the 30th > anniversary of her debut album Horses doing just that. She > did not recreate the songs, rather reinterpreted the music as > both she and horses have matured. Held at the gorgeous > Brooklyn Academy of Music it was truly an occasion of rock meets art. > > For me, the decision to attend one of these shows was simple. > I have admired Smith's music for years, introduced through > her collaboration with Springsteen on Because the Night in > 1978, and have seen her play in small clubs in North Carolina > and in New York City on her birthday twice. In my never > ending quest for the perfect concert moment I knew this show > would be special - and I was going. > > I didn't realize just how special upon entering the concert > hall, with its high, ornate ceiling, gilded balconies and box > seats hovering like saucers flying beside the stage. I > didn't realize how special when I was handed a program from > the usher, complete with a playlist and biography of the > band. It wasn't until the lights dimmed, they walked on > stage and Patti sang the first line of Gloria; "Jesus died > for somebody's sins but not mine," that I knew that this was > not your average rock and roll show. > > Patti and the band attacked the first four songs with > unbridled passion. Patti was pumped during Gloria, relaxed > in Redondo beach, channeled her poetic soul for Birdland and > unleashed a frenzy in Free Money. Flea, bass player with the > Red Hot Chili Peppers playing now with Patti, was barely able > to contain his energy, marching in place and then hopping > during the first sides' final cut. > > "Side two," Patti smiled and said before Kimberly. Both the > band and the audience took a collective breath at the start > before Flea got funky on the bass, Lenny Kaye ripped some > surf guitar and then Patti and Lenny danced to the song's > sweet ending. Patti recited a poem to Jim Morrison before > Break It Up, then pounded on her heart singing "I feel my > heart breaking." > > The centerpiece of the album, the three part opus Land, was > completely reworked. The opening ode to "Johnny" was > reworded, the Land of a Thousand Dances portion churned with > ferocious energy and the concluding La Mer was replaced with > lyrics that invoked the streets of Tanagers. In spite of the > changes the crowd was the most responsive of the night, on > their feet and dancing in the aisles. > > Everyone - Patti, the band, the audience - took another deep > breath as Flea turned bass duties over to long time drummer > Jay Dee Daugherty and picked up the trumpet for the album > ending Elegie. Promising "We'll be right back," Patti led > the band off stage to the fifth (or was it the sixth?) > standing ovation of the night. Horses was complete but the > night was not yet over. > > Unlike the first set, which was a unified whole, the second > set was a pastiche. Proving her past was both punk and > psychedelic Patti played clarinet on a mesmerizing cover of > Are You Experienced? After reminding the audience that the > day (December 1) was International Aids Day and railing > against governments and corporations that don't do more to > make medicine available to the poor around the world, she and > Lenny played acoustic guitars on a simply sublime Southern > Cross. Patti kept her shoes and socks on while going out > into the audience during Dancing Barefoot, then began Because > the Night serenading a stuffed Gumby doll. The set ending > Rock and Roll Nigger included both a snippet of Land's lost > La Mer as well as a reprise of Gloria's opening line. > > Returning for an encore that truly felt earned and not > scripted, Patti invoked her late husband Fred "Sonic" Smith. > She told of how when the two of them wrote the song People > Have the Power in "oh...1987," her daughter was kicking her > from inside the womb. This night daughter joined mother > onstage for the finale. "She'll probably kick me again after > the show," the proud mom said before ending the night with > the fist pumping anthem. > > In the program Lenny Kaye writes of the "great privilege and > honor" it is for them to "share this milestone moment of > Horses' lifeline in Brooklyn." Also in the program, just > above the playlist, is "de l'ame pour l'ame." Translated > literally, this means "from the soul, for the soul". Thank > you, Patti; my soul is enriched for having been there. > > Doug (sad because they were out of "Horses Changed My Life" > buttons by the time I got there) From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 02:20:07 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7AK63n025781 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:20:06 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7AK69s025780 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:20:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.planetc.com (mail.planetc.com [207.65.96.16]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7AK5oo025774 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:20:05 -0800 Received: from [207.65.110.69] (unverified [207.65.110.69]) by mail.planetc.com (SurgeMail 3.6f5) with ESMTP id 17342289 for multiple; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:19:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <45A05884-670B-11DA-97BF-0003938EB042> References: <45A05884-670B-11DA-97BF-0003938EB042> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7300DBA9-670B-11DA-97BF-0003938EB042> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: eternalcafe Moderator From: mckenzie Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:23:03 -0500 To: babel-list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1280488008 X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 582, in=5009, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 207.65.110.69 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ugh, I meant redondo Beach. Sorry On Dec 7, 2005, at 5:21 AM, mckenzie wrote: > Patti was good on Conan O' Brian tonight. She did a laid back version > of Kimberly. Tom Verlaine was on lead guitar and he played a few odd > notes, but otherwise a great performance. Patti was sitting with > Conan at the closing, but no interview. > > Dave From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 02:18:53 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7AIpu7025725 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:18:53 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7AIpv6025723 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:18:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.planetc.com (mail.planetc.com [207.65.96.16]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7AIoFb025718 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:18:50 -0800 Received: from [207.65.110.69] (unverified [207.65.110.69]) by mail.planetc.com (SurgeMail 3.6f5) with ESMTP id 17342157 for ; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:18:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <45A05884-670B-11DA-97BF-0003938EB042> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: babel-list From: mckenzie Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:21:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1280488008 X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 582, in=5007, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 207.65.110.69 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Patti was good on Conan O' Brian tonight. She did a laid back version of Kimberly. Tom Verlaine was on lead guitar and he played a few odd notes, but otherwise a great performance. Patti was sitting with Conan at the closing, but no interview. Dave From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 07:44:43 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7FigY7005111 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:44:42 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7Figcd005108 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:44:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net [209.240.205.136]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7FifAH005095 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:44:41 -0800 Received: from storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id DE726D79A for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:44:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production) by storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id HAA09607; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:44:40 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQkJbQo+Do3XyVeoywL9DyAjObE9gIUX24WBBequ0B2rzUobRvi6dpBqX8= From: Julie987 (Julie York) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:44:40 -0800 To: Babel-list Subject: Patti on Conan Message-ID: <4127-43970368-202> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I stayed up late last night to see Patti on Conan. I was so glad to see Patti on T.V. again. I thought that her performance was great. I think it would have been nice if she were interviewed also. From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 08:01:53 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7G1qmL006085 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:01:53 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7G1qM6006084 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:01:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from Front-end2.KRONOS.COM (front-end2.kronos.com [158.228.2.30]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7G1okA006069 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:01:51 -0800 Received: from exchg-f.KRONOS.COM ([158.228.0.199]) by Front-end2.KRONOS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:01:51 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Patti on Conan Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:01:51 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Patti on Conan Thread-Index: AcX7RXH/quBK3nduSn+f8ExmNS+YrwAAhEiA From: "Gart, Mitchell" To: "Julie York" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2005 16:01:51.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[8981EB90:01C5FB47] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id jB7G1pkA006078 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ What songs did she sing? - Mitch > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-babel-list > [mailto:owner-babel-list]On Behalf Of Julie York > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:45 AM > To: Babel-list > Subject: Patti on Conan > > > I stayed up late last night to see Patti on Conan. I was so > glad to see > Patti on T.V. again. I thought that her performance was great. I think > it would have been nice if she were interviewed > also. From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 10:30:36 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7IUZmv011256 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:30:36 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7IUZPp011255 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:30:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net [209.240.205.137]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7IUXiR011249 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:30:34 -0800 Received: from storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 65688D6BE for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production) by storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id KAA13145; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:31:32 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQxG40WYXJq8OG5FvEOcK1thi8uYAIVAMQV9/jUTgqrwXyF0LI24Qq/qQ30 From: Julie987 (Julie York) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:31:32 -0800 To: Babel-list Subject: Patti on Conan Message-ID: <4126-43972A84-441> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ She sang the song "Renondo Beach". I don't know if someone's promoting her book, but I bet there's been a lot of people who bought it. I have two copies of "Auguries of Innocence". I have one copy that isn't autographed, and another copy with her autograph. I got the autographed copy when I saw her in San Francisco last month, which I enjoyed. From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 11:37:15 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7JbEAl013760 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:37:14 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7JbEq5013759 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:37:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7JbD4Q013752 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:37:13 -0800 Received: from hppav (c-67-168-134-61.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.168.134.61]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005120719385501300cbjt5e>; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:38:55 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c5fb66$0316f7c0$3d86a843> From: "PageRox" To: "Julie York" , References: <4126-43972A84-441> Subject: Re: Patti on Conan Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:40:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I didn't even know she was on Conan--would've been nice to see her do Redondo! Oh well--there's always reruns! Thanks for the update! XO-Glenna ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie York To: Babel-list Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: Patti on Conan She sang the song "Renondo Beach". I don't know if someone's promoting her book, but I bet there's been a lot of people who bought it. I have two copies of "Auguries of Innocence". I have one copy that isn't autographed, and another copy with her autograph. I got the autographed copy when I saw her in San Francisco last month, which I enjoyed. From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 11:39:48 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7JdlOk013842 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:39:48 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7JdlMP013841 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:39:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153] (may be forged)) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7JdhJ3013835 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:39:44 -0800 Received: from hppav (c-67-168-134-61.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.168.134.61]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051207194126015004sr3ee>; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:41:27 +0000 Message-ID: <004101c5fb66$5cc24a40$3d86a843> From: "PageRox" To: , References: <45A05884-670B-11DA-97BF-0003938EB042> Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:42:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ah....Kimberly! I love that song--I had thought it was Redondo Beach--but I'm only repeating what I heard from another listee! One of my faves, that! XO-Glenna ----- Original Message ----- From: mckenzie To: babel-list Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:21 AM Patti was good on Conan O' Brian tonight. She did a laid back version of Kimberly. Tom Verlaine was on lead guitar and he played a few odd notes, but otherwise a great performance. Patti was sitting with Conan at the closing, but no interview. Dave From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 11:40:22 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7JeMuC013862 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:40:22 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7JeMwn013861 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:40:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7JeKY9013849 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:40:21 -0800 Received: from hppav (c-67-168-134-61.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.168.134.61]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005120719420501500538pje>; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:42:06 +0000 Message-ID: <004d01c5fb66$738291e0$3d86a843> From: "PageRox" To: , Cc: "eternalcafe Moderator" References: <45A05884-670B-11DA-97BF-0003938EB042> <7300DBA9-670B-11DA-97BF-0003938EB042> Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:43:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Well dammit now ya got me thinkin' all Kimberly! ;-) XO-Glenna ----- Original Message ----- From: mckenzie To: babel-list Cc: eternalcafe Moderator Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:23 AM Subject: Re: Ugh, I meant redondo Beach. Sorry On Dec 7, 2005, at 5:21 AM, mckenzie wrote: > Patti was good on Conan O' Brian tonight. She did a laid back version > of Kimberly. Tom Verlaine was on lead guitar and he played a few odd > notes, but otherwise a great performance. Patti was sitting with > Conan at the closing, but no interview. > > Dave From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 12:40:45 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7KeiLR023077 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:40:45 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7KeiFA023076 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:40:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from postino3.prima.com.ar (postino3.prima.com.ar [200.42.0.148]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id jB7KedTJ023057 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:40:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 46220 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2005 20:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?200.82.59.246?) (citynet?rima) by postino3.prima.com.ar with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 20:43:00 -0000 Message-ID: <43974972.9080503> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:43:30 -0300 From: Coord RIMA User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: es-ar, es, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list Subject: Re: babel-digest V10 #277 References: <200512061000.jB6A00Ci000425> In-Reply-To: <200512061000.jB6A00Ci000425> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id jB7KehTJ023072 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi Doug: I hope you don't mind that I've shared your cronique in my blog: http://pont_des_arts.blogspot.com/ Thank you very much, Gabby De Cicco babel-digest escribis: >babel-digest Tuesday, December 6 2005 Volume 10 : Number 277 > > > >In this issue: > > de l'ame pour l'ame > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the babel-list >or babel-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:13:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) >From: "Douglas W. Corkhill" >Subject: de l'ame pour l'ame > >Imagine being given the opportunity to see and hear a musical artist perform one of their most influential albums, in its entirety, in the sequence it was recorded. The mind is boggled; Bruce Springsteen playing Born To Run from front to back. The Rolling Stones and Let It Bleed, or Sticky Fingers. Bob Dylan Revisting Highway 61. > >For two nights in new York City last week rock singer-poet-priestess-goddess Patti Smith celebrated the 30th anniversary of her debut album Horses doing just that. She did not recreate the songs, rather reinterpreted the music as both she and horses have matured. Held at the gorgeous Brooklyn Academy of Music it was truly an occasion of rock meets art. > >For me, the decision to attend one of these shows was simple. I have admired Smith's music for years, introduced through her collaboration with Springsteen on Because the Night in 1978, and have seen her play in small clubs in North Carolina and in New York City on her birthday twice. In my never ending quest for the perfect concert moment I knew this show would be special - and I was going. > >I didn't realize just how special upon entering the concert hall, with its high, ornate ceiling, gilded balconies and box seats hovering like saucers flying beside the stage. I didn't realize how special when I was handed a program from the usher, complete with a playlist and biography of the band. It wasn't until the lights dimmed, they walked on stage and Patti sang the first line of Gloria; "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine," that I knew that this was not your average rock and roll show. > >Patti and the band attacked the first four songs with unbridled passion. Patti was pumped during Gloria, relaxed in Redondo beach, channeled her poetic soul for Birdland and unleashed a frenzy in Free Money. Flea, bass player with the Red Hot Chili Peppers playing now with Patti, was barely able to contain his energy, marching in place and then hopping during the first sides' final cut. > >"Side two," Patti smiled and said before Kimberly. Both the band and the audience took a collective breath at the start before Flea got funky on the bass, Lenny Kaye ripped some surf guitar and then Patti and Lenny danced to the song's sweet ending. Patti recited a poem to Jim Morrison before Break It Up, then pounded on her heart singing "I feel my heart breaking." > >The centerpiece of the album, the three part opus Land, was completely reworked. The opening ode to "Johnny" was reworded, the Land of a Thousand Dances portion churned with ferocious energy and the concluding La Mer was replaced with lyrics that invoked the streets of Tanagers. In spite of the changes the crowd was the most responsive of the night, on their feet and dancing in the aisles. > >Everyone - Patti, the band, the audience - took another deep breath as Flea turned bass duties over to long time drummer Jay Dee Daugherty and picked up the trumpet for the album ending Elegie. Promising "We'll be right back," Patti led the band off stage to the fifth (or was it the sixth?) standing ovation of the night. Horses was complete but the night was not yet over. > >Unlike the first set, which was a unified whole, the second set was a pastiche. Proving her past was both punk and psychedelic Patti played clarinet on a mesmerizing cover of Are You Experienced? After reminding the audience that the day (December 1) was International Aids Day and railing against governments and corporations that don't do more to make medicine available to the poor around the world, she and Lenny played acoustic guitars on a simply sublime Southern Cross. Patti kept her shoes and socks on while going out into the audience during Dancing Barefoot, then began Because the Night serenading a stuffed Gumby doll. The set ending Rock and Roll Nigger included both a snippet of Land's lost La Mer as well as a reprise of Gloria's opening line. > >Returning for an encore that truly felt earned and not scripted, Patti invoked her late husband Fred "Sonic" Smith. She told of how when the two of them wrote the song People Have the Power in "oh...1987," her daughter was kicking her from inside the womb. This night daughter joined mother onstage for the finale. "She'll probably kick me again after the show," the proud mom said before ending the night with the fist pumping anthem. > >In the program Lenny Kaye writes of the "great privilege and honor" it is for them to "share this milestone moment of Horses' lifeline in Brooklyn." Also in the program, just above the playlist, is "de l'ame pour l'ame." Translated literally, this means "from the soul, for the soul". Thank you, Patti; my soul is enriched for having been there. > >Doug (sad because they were out of "Horses Changed My Life" buttons by the time I got there) > >------------------------------ > >End of babel-digest V10 #277 >**************************** > >To unsubscribe from babel-digest, send the following command >in the body of a message to "majordomo": > >unsubscribe babel-digest > >To subscribe, send the command "subscribe babel-digest" instead. > >If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe something other than the >account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, >then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe >"local-babel": > >subscribe babel-digest local-babel > >A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to >subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "babel-digest" >in the commands above with "babel-list". > >Archives for the list (in monthly non-digest form) can be found at >http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ . From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 13:51:30 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7LpUMr029106 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:51:30 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7LpUr0029105 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:51:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7LpSdb029090 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:51:28 -0800 Received: from Aphinar by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id m.2ba.1b66988 (63000) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:51:16 -0500 (EST) From: Aphinar Message-ID: <2ba.1b66988.30c8b353> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:51:15 EST Subject: WNYC, 7 December 2005 To: babel-list (Babel-list) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 X-Spam-Flag: NO Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Leonard Lopate interviewed Patti Smith today, http://www.wnyc.org/stream/ram.py?file=/lopate/lopate120705b.mp3 Jay Dillon Jay Dillon Rare Books + Manuscripts From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 15:08:51 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7N8p5F031321 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:08:51 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7N8pXX031320 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:08:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from [192.168.0.100] (heathrow.postmodern.com [216.240.39.14]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7N8oaG031313 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:08:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <45A05884-670B-11DA-97BF-0003938EB042> References: <45A05884-670B-11DA-97BF-0003938EB042> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <070C1EE1-9BB4-4662-8194-C6F582D3CA2E> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael C. Berch" Subject: Re: Patti on Conan Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:08:49 -0800 To: babel-list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ OK... it was great to see Patti & the band, which I haven't in a while, and I always like hearing Redondo Beach. But what was up with Tom Verlaine? I didn't see him on stage at all at first, and he apparently was sitting in the wings, in a black hoodie with sunglasses, and was only on camera for a couple of seconds, even though he was playing lead (as Dave noted, in a somewhat idiosyncratic manner). Has he become stage-shy, or was he just not feeling well or something? --MCB On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:21 AM, mckenzie wrote: > Patti was good on Conan O' Brian tonight. She did a laid back > version of Kimberly. Tom Verlaine was on lead guitar and he played > a few odd notes, but otherwise a great performance. Patti was > sitting with Conan at the closing, but no interview. > > Dave From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 15:19:22 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7NJMfN031597 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:19:22 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7NJMDc031596 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:19:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7NJKJJ031591 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:19:21 -0800 Received: from [86.140.25.64] (helo=plc) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1Ek8ZH0AAo-0008LG; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:19:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <070C1EE1-9BB4-4662-8194-C6F582D3CA2E> Organization: Everything is Permuted References: <45A05884-670B-11DA-97BF-0003938EB042> <070C1EE1-9BB4-4662-8194-C6F582D3CA2E> Subject: Re: Patti on Conan To: "babel-list" Message-ID: From: "Words 2 - Permuted" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:19:34 -0000 User-Agent: Opera M2/9.0 (Win32) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse login:57deaf623c5ebec18d80bb77a7429aae Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:08:49 -0000, Michael C. Berch permuted the following: > OK... it was great to see Patti & the band, which I haven't in a while, > and I always like hearing Redondo Beach. But what was up with Tom > Verlaine? I didn't see him on stage at all at first, and he apparently > was sitting in the wings, in a black hoodie with sunglasses, and was > only on camera for a couple of seconds, even though he was playing lead > (as Dave noted, in a somewhat idiosyncratic manner). Has he become > stage-shy, or was he just not feeling well or something? > That's our Tom! He was exactly the same at Meltdown (minus the shades) apart from one moment when Patti induced him into a two-step: http://www.permuted.org.uk/meltdown/image21.htm -- Words Everything is Permuted http://www.permuted.org.uk http://www.permuted.org.uk/fox http://my.opera.com/Words/journal/ From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 15:18:39 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7NIdjx031559 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:18:39 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7NIdwk031558 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:18:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7NIYUb031547; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:18:36 -0800 Received: from [86.140.25.64] (helo=plc) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1Ek8YV1Lx7-0002s4; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:18:35 +0100 To: "Michael C. Berch" , babel-list Subject: Re: Patti on Conan References: <45A05884-670B-11DA-97BF-0003938EB042> <070C1EE1-9BB4-4662-8194-C6F582D3CA2E> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:18:46 -0000 From: "Words 2 - Permuted" Organization: Everything is Permuted Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <070C1EE1-9BB4-4662-8194-C6F582D3CA2E> User-Agent: Opera M2/9.0 (Win32) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse login:57deaf623c5ebec18d80bb77a7429aae Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:08:49 -0000, Michael C. Berch permuted the following: > OK... it was great to see Patti & the band, which I haven't in a while, > and I always like hearing Redondo Beach. But what was up with Tom > Verlaine? I didn't see him on stage at all at first, and he apparently > was sitting in the wings, in a black hoodie with sunglasses, and was > only on camera for a couple of seconds, even though he was playing lead > (as Dave noted, in a somewhat idiosyncratic manner). Has he become > stage-shy, or was he just not feeling well or something? > That's our Tom! He was exactly the same at Meltdown (minus the shades) apart from one moment when Patti induced him into a two-step: http://www.permuted.org.uk/meltdown/image21.htm -- Words Everything is Permuted http://www.permuted.org.uk http://www.permuted.org.uk/fox http://my.opera.com/Words/journal/ From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 15:18:41 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7NIf8w031566 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:18:41 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB7NIfZ3031565 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:18:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB7NIe0q031548 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:18:40 -0800 Received: from Poemsl1 by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id m.223.4ec3ab9 (3858) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:18:17 -0500 (EST) From: Poemsl1 Message-ID: <223.4ec3ab9.30c8c7b8> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:18:16 EST Subject: Re: Patti on Conan To: babel-list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I thought Verlaine acted weird also, and even though I generally love his music, I thought his little "guitar blips" were a bit odd. But then, maybe it's just that I'm not used to them in the standard version of "Redondo Beach". It was still great to see the group, idiosyncrasies and all. xxo- Seena From babel-list-owner Wed Dec 7 21:34:46 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB85Ykk0010319 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:34:46 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB85YkvO010318 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:34:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB85Yj24010312 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:34:45 -0800 Received: from Oligodendroglia by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id m.1d6.4a834a9f (4539) for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: Oligodendroglia Message-ID: <1d6.4a834a9f.30c91fec> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:34:36 EST Subject: Re: Patti on Conan To: babel-list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5121 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I was disappointed that they played Redondo Beach, as opposed to lets say... Gloria... Free Money... Land... Conan held up the Horses 30th discs... with a late night audience, why select Redondo Beach? As for Tom... I'm glad that he's there... and I hope he stays with the band. In my opinion, his playing this year is infinitely better integrated with Patti's "sound" than in 1996. I liked that little guitar "jab" that he added.... From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 8 08:33:58 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB8GXwqc029954 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:33:58 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB8GXw5v029953 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:33:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.70]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB8GXvEL029946 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:33:57 -0800 Received: from elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.38]) by pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EkOiX-0004cI-00 for babel-list; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:34:01 -0500 Message-ID: <22627225.1134059641719.JavaMail.root> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:34:01 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Reply-To: Keith To: babel-list Subject: CBGB is closing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I got this from CBGB's myspace blog. Keith *************** CBGB is closing We are closing. Our landlord had neither the obligation nor the interest to give us a new lease when our old lease expired in August. Since then, we have been fighting a losing battle, trying to buy time, against our eviction. Unless a miracle were to happen, or the landlord were to have a change of heart, we knew we were gong to close. We just didn't know when. Now we do. An agreement has been reached... not to give us a new lease, but to give us time to find a new location. CBGB is officially closing by October 2006. No postponements, no court dates, no appeals... that's it. We are using this time to try and find a new location in New York. The rumors of us trying to open in Las Vegas and/or elsewhere are true... but not what you may think. We are staying in New York and we are looing for a space in downtown Manhattan. We are not moving to Las Vegas or anywhere else. We are, however, looking at opening up a sister club elsewhere... perhaps a CBGB West. But the original CBGB, though it will have to move, will remain in New York. From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 8 11:49:43 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB8JnhWu003066 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:49:43 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB8JngSb003064 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:49:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153] (may be forged)) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB8JnfWH003056 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:49:41 -0800 Received: from hppav (c-67-168-134-61.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.168.134.61]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051208194936015004t89ue>; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:49:37 +0000 Message-ID: <006c01c5fc30$b1d6c7c0$3d86a843> From: "PageRox" To: Subject: Got Food Allergies? (NPC unless she's allergic!) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:50:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi guys! Here's a link I found at the Today Show site--I got to thinking maybe some of you may have food allergies. Although incomplete, and mentions not the corruption of the FDA, the link does include a card that you can print out to list your food allergies. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10352778/#BuddyCard Anyway, I thought it may be helpful to someone! XOXO-Glenna From babel-list-owner Thu Dec 8 18:06:03 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB9263wc014119 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:06:03 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB9263LE014118 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:06:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB9261Y1014113 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:06:02 -0800 Received: from Poemsl1 by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.26c.1c67b83 (3924); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:04:40 -0500 (EST) From: Poemsl1 Message-ID: <26c.1c67b83.30ca4038> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:04:40 EST Subject: Rocking Horses: Patti Smith, Lester Bangs, and the passage of time To: Paths_That_Cross, PoetsandArtists, babel-list, eternalcafe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ _http://www.laweekly.com/ink/06/03/24-mcdonald.php_ (http://www.laweekly.com/ink/06/03/24-mcdonald.php) With a great painting by Alie Ward. xxo- Seena From babel-list-owner Fri Dec 9 02:33:34 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB9AXXi0031378 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:33:34 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB9AXXNb031377 for babel-list-obscured; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:33:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from Front-end2.KRONOS.COM (front-end2.kronos.com [158.228.2.30]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB9AXVWH031362 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:33:32 -0800 Received: from exchg-f.KRONOS.COM ([158.228.0.199]) by Front-end2.KRONOS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:33:24 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Rocking Horses: Patti Smith, Lester Bangs, and the passage of time Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:33:24 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Rocking Horses: Patti Smith, Lester Bangs, and the passage of time Thread-Index: AcX8ZUqbWRY0ii5UQICOeos470bnkgARnsmg From: "Gart, Mitchell" To: , , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2005 10:33:24.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBFCC0E0:01C5FCAB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id jB9AXWWH031373 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Nice article. Also I liked the picture of Patti next to the movie ad for "Memoirs of a Geisha". There was a tiny bit of resemblance between the two faces. - Mitch > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-babel-list > [mailto:owner-babel-list]On Behalf Of Poemsl1 > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:05 PM > To: Paths_That_Cross; PoetsandArtists; > babel-list; eternalcafe > Subject: Rocking Horses: Patti Smith, Lester Bangs, and the passage of > time > > > _http://www.laweekly.com/ink/06/03/24-mcdonald.php_ > (http://www.laweekly.com/ink/06/03/24-mcdonald.php) With a > great painting by Alie Ward. xxo- Seena From babel-list-owner Fri Dec 9 06:59:30 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB9ExSRb008726 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 06:59:30 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB9ExRQA008725 for babel-list-obscured; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 06:59:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB9ExMwG008719 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 06:59:25 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j2so892725nzf for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:59:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Xf/LmSiG5SA+iOMxuXPe7mzezjK9fBwfXyaZaaAdi5aNOfWCUH9ekhDdqg4Dvp43QWEnEsK0l1DaVMTNf3PYqWoywvAvc2OxDcieGDKMnOxzTQgO5/bsyadW4y+wYA3uRcHcZofFnS8KDFwPKKwAVPUa4ZDFNHDXOOVv3rc/1LM= Received: by 10.65.53.6 with SMTP id f6mr3930758qbk; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.232.16 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 06:59:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:59:26 +0000 From: Andrew F Wilson To: Babel-list Subject: Re: Tower Records In Store NYC In-Reply-To: <14.51929ab2.30a428f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <14.51929ab2.30a428f8> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Does anyone have a scan of the flyer from the Tower Records Instore appearance on 8 November 2005? Many thanks Andrew From babel-list-owner Fri Dec 9 07:26:26 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB9FQP6x009534 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:26:26 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB9FQPMk009533 for babel-list-obscured; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:26:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from ussmtp02.scientificgames.com (ussmtp02.scientificgames.com [65.5.3.6]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB9FQMYQ009523 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:26:23 -0800 Received: by ussmtp02.scientificgames.com with XWall v3.35 ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:26:41 -0500 From: "Jucha, Gary" To: "babel-list" Subject: Anyone have BAM recordings? Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:26:46 -0500 X-Assembled-By: XWall v3.35 Message-ID: <8B73472E4268D44AA115AFB3A452013206C2E017> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Does anyone on this list have a recording of any of the BAM shows? I was at the 12/1 concert and would love to get a copy of Patti's expanded line-up doing Are You Experienced? I have plenty to trade. Thanks, Gary This communication (including any attachments) is intended for the use of the intended recipient(s) only and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or legally protected. Any unauthorized use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From babel-list-owner Fri Dec 9 08:20:14 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB9GKEcN011244 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:20:14 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB9GKEj2011242 for babel-list-obscured; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:20:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.105]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id jB9GKBQC011228 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:20:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 14114 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2005 16:20:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=z5bvz8AheCOlxnvKE1iIwMs1HifPNbU7se4fuiqHqIb3sqSSy4NSdQuE/REpEbmZx7vqAZqtZcRaqfEOqlu6dN10woeut2UlL0temd0nxfZKUYvE70zEsM/HHn2nMy+3S74Awc9Ii+8JkJBLhzIKSlqEKarx7iK/J3h6aVFFo6o= ; Message-ID: <20051209162006.14112.qmail> Received: from [24.5.197.252] by web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 08:20:06 PST Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:20:06 -0800 (PST) From: skywalker Subject: May 1, 2005 CBGB's on Dime To: babel-list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Patti's May 1, 2005 CBGB's show is on Dime: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=72607 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From babel-list-owner Fri Dec 9 12:06:46 2005 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id jB9K6j46018837 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:06:46 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jB9K6i2F018836 for babel-list-obscured; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:06:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majord