From babel-list-owner Sat Mar 1 20:07:32 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m2247WxC023543 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:07:32 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m2247Wb3023542 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:07:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m2247UQi023535 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:07:31 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (dsl-63-249-103-31.cruzio.com [63.249.103.31]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m2247Xnc007282 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:07:33 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: babel-list From: Jeff Riedle Subject: Re:Patti Weed 12/29/07 and 12/30/07 Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:07:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ With a belated HUGE thanks to Gina, I will pass on copies of each show to 3 people who promise to do the same. Sorry, my life is quite busy right now so I have to limit it to three. Email me your name and mailing address and I'll start the process. Thanks, Jeff Riedle in California From babel-list-owner Sun Mar 2 07:54:09 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22Fs9AB006426 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:54:09 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m22Fs8Pu006425 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:54:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.210]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id m22Fs7sv006418 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:54:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 8782 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 15:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO OwnerPC) (lydonr@70.240.5.156 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 15:54:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BOemUgwVM1kwNZnJkrZ_fvyrfINxBVmhiHTjShZQA.CIm8Am X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <46EEE4E316B94D9EA5BC89C816172064> From: "Lybbie" To: References: <200802251840.m1PIe9g23311> <015c01c877e3$5342fe00$8f01a8c0> In-Reply-To: <015c01c877e3$5342fe00$8f01a8c0> Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:53:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Wow I'm surprised to see this kind of message appear on this list. I don't post very often at all but I always thought politics was discussed pretty freely here. When did it change? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Sooby" To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > Sorry to be a buzz kill but this thread is entirely off topic, given the > topic is Patti Smith, and it's filling up my inbox with a bunch of crap. > Please cease and desist. Is this list not moderated? > > Thank you for returning to the topic at hand, Patti Smith! > > Jane > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-babel-list > [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of weapons of mass > destruction-related program activities > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:40 AM > To: babel-list > Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > > Gart, Mitchell (Mitchell.Gart) wrote: >> >> But he didn't and now he's going to >> try to screw things up again. Unforgiveable. > > And this year, with a deep division in the Democratic > Party over the nomination running 50-50, a whole lotta > progressive folks are going to be walking around this > Fall after the convention feeling at least disenchanted > and disenfranchised, to say nothing of bitter. > > So Saint Ralph has the best shot he's had since 2000 at > scraping some scum off the top of the pond. Which is good > for him, because even though he's had eight years to build > something resembling a viable 3rd party, getting people > elected, participating in debates, etc - you know, *work* - > he apparently prefers to wait, like a vulture, for a > bunch of disaffected quasi-liberals to be found alongside > the road baking in the hot sun. Yum! From babel-list-owner Sun Mar 2 08:19:59 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22GJxh0007304 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:19:59 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m22GJxZq007303 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:19:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22GJvaL007297 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:19:58 -0800 Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JVqut-00047T-Sm; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:19:59 +0000 Received: from [82.39.254.144] (helo=Nelson) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JVqut-0004R6-9e; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:19:59 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c87c81$41d2f970$90fe2752> From: "Carol Green" To: "Lybbie" , References: <200802251840.m1PIe9g23311> <015c01c877e3$5342fe00$8f01a8c0> <46EEE4E316B94D9EA5BC89C816172064> Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:19:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I don't know, but I did wonder if the people who don't want to talk politics here are the same people that go to Patti's gigs? If so, what do they do when Patti starts singing Rock N Roll Nigger? Disappear to the bathroom? While I'm here could I just clarify something I said on a previous post. The thing I put in "quotes" about Nader's paperwork wasn't in quotes because it was something Patti had said, it was in quotes as I was quoting from a newspaper - nothing to do with Patti. Sorry if I confused anyone. What I said about hoping Patti says whatever she wants at the Lincoln Centre was because I was fed up with people on this list blaming her (indirectly, perhaps) for everything from Bush being elected to what happened on 9/11. Anyway, any reports from people who were at the Lincoln Centre last night? What was the setlist? What stories did she tell.... carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lybbie" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > Wow I'm surprised to see this kind of message appear on this list. > I don't post very often at all but I always thought politics was discussed > pretty freely here. > When did it change? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Sooby" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:19 PM > Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > > >> Sorry to be a buzz kill but this thread is entirely off topic, given the >> topic is Patti Smith, and it's filling up my inbox with a bunch of crap. >> Please cease and desist. Is this list not moderated? >> >> Thank you for returning to the topic at hand, Patti Smith! >> >> Jane >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-babel-list >> [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of weapons of mass >> destruction-related program activities >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:40 AM >> To: babel-list >> Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's >> >> Gart, Mitchell (Mitchell.Gart) wrote: >>> >>> But he didn't and now he's going to >>> try to screw things up again. Unforgiveable. >> >> And this year, with a deep division in the Democratic >> Party over the nomination running 50-50, a whole lotta >> progressive folks are going to be walking around this >> Fall after the convention feeling at least disenchanted >> and disenfranchised, to say nothing of bitter. >> >> So Saint Ralph has the best shot he's had since 2000 at >> scraping some scum off the top of the pond. Which is good >> for him, because even though he's had eight years to build >> something resembling a viable 3rd party, getting people >> elected, participating in debates, etc - you know, *work* - >> he apparently prefers to wait, like a vulture, for a >> bunch of disaffected quasi-liberals to be found alongside >> the road baking in the hot sun. Yum! From babel-list-owner Sun Mar 2 08:43:03 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22Gh3LK008561 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:43:03 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m22Gh38b008560 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:43:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.83]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id m22Gh1i8008552 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:43:02 -0800 Received: (qmail 16312 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 16:42:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=brCI0hNyDbY30vselUfaIFzdFhK/Vi0WZV0xDz/XrIhK8KbDsXMtLoV190hhOO1bYUkY/fUlqgAH1UMJ9w5KLc3E4d7V3GNh9M79v71N21vGE5CiL8qghoKDhsUrgmj7vykyklAvMh9NwOZ1+hZ6tj1/Zh/6UEWQNMEy+gwjMGY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO TheDoktorPC) (rock-and-roll@99.248.205.85 with login) by smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 16:42:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w32V2RcVM1mm9r2oPX9NxeNt1xTyHhER68NwsU7f6cPGv0F.FTwBRzI1UlTcX7o0jw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "dok" To: Cc: "'Carol Green'" References: <200802251840.m1PIe9g23311> <015c01c877e3$5342fe00$8f01a8c0> <46EEE4E316B94D9EA5BC89C816172064> <000d01c87c81$41d2f970$90fe2752> In-Reply-To: <000d01c87c81$41d2f970$90fe2752> Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:42:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c87c84$77ccfff0$6766ffd0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ach8gur7Pl5G0uQhQTmE7fJF/zgfFgAAMYbA Content-Language: en-ca Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Personally, I read this list for Patti specific information, notes, concert updates, the sense of community, etc. I'm aware of the thin thread of connection between herself and Mr. Nader, but *this thread* quickly became non-Patti and spiralled down the path of who was right and who was wrong, politically speaking, with virtually no Patti relevance. Best guess is that there better forums to continue that dialogue. In the interim, I like your last paragraph best. =] -----Original Message----- From: owner-babel-list [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of Carol Green Sent: March-02-08 11:20 AM To: Lybbie; babel-list Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's I don't know, but I did wonder if the people who don't want to talk politics here are the same people that go to Patti's gigs? If so, what do they do when Patti starts singing Rock N Roll Nigger? Disappear to the bathroom? While I'm here could I just clarify something I said on a previous post. The thing I put in "quotes" about Nader's paperwork wasn't in quotes because it was something Patti had said, it was in quotes as I was quoting from a newspaper - nothing to do with Patti. Sorry if I confused anyone. What I said about hoping Patti says whatever she wants at the Lincoln Centre was because I was fed up with people on this list blaming her (indirectly, perhaps) for everything from Bush being elected to what happened on 9/11. Anyway, any reports from people who were at the Lincoln Centre last night? What was the setlist? What stories did she tell.... carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lybbie" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > Wow I'm surprised to see this kind of message appear on this list. > I don't post very often at all but I always thought politics was discussed > pretty freely here. > When did it change? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Sooby" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:19 PM > Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > > >> Sorry to be a buzz kill but this thread is entirely off topic, given the >> topic is Patti Smith, and it's filling up my inbox with a bunch of crap. >> Please cease and desist. Is this list not moderated? >> >> Thank you for returning to the topic at hand, Patti Smith! >> >> Jane >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-babel-list >> [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of weapons of mass >> destruction-related program activities >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:40 AM >> To: babel-list >> Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's >> >> Gart, Mitchell (Mitchell.Gart) wrote: >>> >>> But he didn't and now he's going to >>> try to screw things up again. Unforgiveable. >> >> And this year, with a deep division in the Democratic >> Party over the nomination running 50-50, a whole lotta >> progressive folks are going to be walking around this >> Fall after the convention feeling at least disenchanted >> and disenfranchised, to say nothing of bitter. >> >> So Saint Ralph has the best shot he's had since 2000 at >> scraping some scum off the top of the pond. Which is good >> for him, because even though he's had eight years to build >> something resembling a viable 3rd party, getting people >> elected, participating in debates, etc - you know, *work* - >> he apparently prefers to wait, like a vulture, for a >> bunch of disaffected quasi-liberals to be found alongside >> the road baking in the hot sun. Yum! From babel-list-owner Sun Mar 2 09:09:39 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22H9dZf009318 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:09:39 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m22H9dfp009317 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:09:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22H9b2Y009311 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:09:37 -0800 Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JVrgw-0003tU-Un; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:09:39 +0000 Received: from [82.39.254.144] (helo=Nelson) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JVrgw-0003OE-Bu; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:09:38 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c87c88$318a1ab0$90fe2752> From: "Carol Green" To: "dok" , References: <200802251840.m1PIe9g23311> <015c01c877e3$5342fe00$8f01a8c0> <46EEE4E316B94D9EA5BC89C816172064> <000d01c87c81$41d2f970$90fe2752> <000301c87c84$77ccfff0$6766ffd0$@com> Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:09:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ *Personally, I read this list for Patti specific information, notes, concert updates* You must wait a long time on this list then, I admire your patience. carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "dok" To: Cc: "'Carol Green'" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 4:42 PM Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > Personally, I read this list for Patti specific information, notes, > concert > updates, the sense of community, etc. I'm aware of the thin thread of > connection between herself and Mr. Nader, but *this thread* quickly became > non-Patti and spiralled down the path of who was right and who was wrong, > politically speaking, with virtually no Patti relevance. Best guess is > that > there better forums to continue that dialogue. > > In the interim, I like your last paragraph best. =] > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-babel-list > [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of Carol Green > Sent: March-02-08 11:20 AM > To: Lybbie; babel-list > Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > > I don't know, but I did wonder if the people who don't want to talk > politics > > here are the same people that go to Patti's gigs? If so, what do they do > when Patti starts singing Rock N Roll Nigger? Disappear to the bathroom? > > While I'm here could I just clarify something I said on a previous post. > The > > thing I put in "quotes" about Nader's paperwork wasn't in quotes because > it > was something Patti had said, it was in quotes as I was quoting from a > newspaper - nothing to do with Patti. Sorry if I confused anyone. > > What I said about hoping Patti says whatever she wants at the Lincoln > Centre > > was because I was fed up with people on this list blaming her (indirectly, > perhaps) for everything from Bush being elected to what happened on 9/11. > > Anyway, any reports from people who were at the Lincoln Centre last night? > What was the setlist? What stories did she tell.... > > carol > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lybbie" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > > >> Wow I'm surprised to see this kind of message appear on this list. >> I don't post very often at all but I always thought politics was >> discussed > >> pretty freely here. >> When did it change? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jane Sooby" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:19 PM >> Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's >> >> >>> Sorry to be a buzz kill but this thread is entirely off topic, given the >>> topic is Patti Smith, and it's filling up my inbox with a bunch of crap. >>> Please cease and desist. Is this list not moderated? >>> >>> Thank you for returning to the topic at hand, Patti Smith! >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-babel-list >>> [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of weapons of mass >>> destruction-related program activities >>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:40 AM >>> To: babel-list >>> Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's >>> >>> Gart, Mitchell (Mitchell.Gart) wrote: >>>> >>>> But he didn't and now he's going to >>>> try to screw things up again. Unforgiveable. >>> >>> And this year, with a deep division in the Democratic >>> Party over the nomination running 50-50, a whole lotta >>> progressive folks are going to be walking around this >>> Fall after the convention feeling at least disenchanted >>> and disenfranchised, to say nothing of bitter. >>> >>> So Saint Ralph has the best shot he's had since 2000 at >>> scraping some scum off the top of the pond. Which is good >>> for him, because even though he's had eight years to build >>> something resembling a viable 3rd party, getting people >>> elected, participating in debates, etc - you know, *work* - >>> he apparently prefers to wait, like a vulture, for a >>> bunch of disaffected quasi-liberals to be found alongside >>> the road baking in the hot sun. Yum! From babel-list-owner Sun Mar 2 11:57:36 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22JvaCU015842 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:57:36 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m22JvaKJ015841 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:57:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22JvYoa015828 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:57:35 -0800 Received: from Poemsl1 by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id m.c29.2e721f9e (14467) for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:57:25 -0500 (EST) From: Poemsl1 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:57:25 EST Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's To: babel-list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I disagree with the idea that we should only talk about Patti, her music, setlists, etc. She is very political and provocative in her music, and the way she talks with audiences at times, for example urging them to vote. And what do you think "People Have the Power" is? An anthem for athletes, lol? Although it actually could be that, in the sense that we all have the power to do what is important to us. However, I think the main message of PHTP is we have the power to change our world- we just have to get up, take action, and open our mouths to do it- a very political stance, IMHO. Patt's unfortunate support for Nader is just as valid to me for discussion as might be the setlist at Lincoln Center, a new album, etc. As I said in a previous post, it's hard for me to reconcile my love of Patti as an artist with her support of Nader, who I think is a spoiler, and is too intelligent not to know it. For that matter, so is Patti. xxo- Seena **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From babel-list-owner Sun Mar 2 12:57:43 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22KvhCE018509 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:57:43 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m22Kvh5f018508 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:57:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.90.252]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id m22KvfMw018498 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:57:41 -0800 Received: (qmail 34422 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2008 20:57:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=FFR6xAWRwXXda+n3ZRlL6swv399n6NG2VSmRxsvFC+SBDhh/Ab0p9wpYZKD+tdp2UcjSGLxN8DkJHqkMEabIsMzh0GbFz65QBThRynedfN66qpmqt6xSzikF5l37vH5awNvFyd7u5yoAWpXN/V3O42DFyvl2Uekeph4SOwPQUBE=; X-YMail-OSG: WXOupqsVM1m7DXqTYu8Gs4U3MkUjspnXPIwB9oSEPpdtxjsZSInj699CoBoHmudj5g-- Received: from [71.135.37.123] by web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:57:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:57:37 -0800 (PST) From: skywalker Subject: Patti 2008-02-08 Berlin To: babel-list, eternalcafe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <743107.33917.qm> Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ of the three different recordings I've seen torrented of Patti's 2008-02-08 Berlin show, I think the best-sounding one is at http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53614&highlight=Patti+Smith ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From babel-list-owner Sun Mar 2 14:49:21 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22MnKCc022909 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:49:21 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m22MnKKL022908 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:49:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.190]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22MnJpA022899 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:49:19 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so3493493rvb.33 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:49:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=FbuzWTtNlaMBnRRwsq9wwpaRE1O6rX1+sdTQcLSneyM=; b=SM1PMT/o5xrZ1hPzVjYyKqiAd4Ko6BBwt1n6N5HqMCJ4v2b/HOe9CtFr2zHA7EVpEErtSZxEzAHnE56ZzJn6JYG+bRSzO9vrnb4J6QD7N9BVttUJNt3ULbsdAmk/wbdyCZ1mg66HJ7Hj7CyWCyiJ2Wge+BiHNi3CDJo8zI3kMOk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Hgnqtg1Rnujq5rE+LVGpIzXY9JQJvUSW0gpB/o4o1+By9kQn5Th/YdovBC1UuyUwXS1k4SOKgQyxnU+QHeC+tlMs5yee3tijSiRFFuip04Zn3YhEqdq5h/z4Iq6UZ0wqqUWw8R8GeIPRP6AhkRFLwGeSoWI9sIDWIgY1YuO8jN0= Received: by 10.140.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr664700rvh.21.1204498154887; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.211.16 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:49:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:49:14 -0800 From: "Page Rox" To: Poemsl1 Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's Cc: babel-list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Shit--Patti likes Nader. Nader is politics. Patti is political. There IS Patti content. XO-Glenna On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:57 AM, wrote: > I disagree with the idea that we should only talk about Patti, her music, > setlists, etc. She is very political and provocative in her music, and > the way > she talks with audiences at times, for example urging them to vote. And > what do you think "People Have the Power" is? An anthem for athletes, > lol? > Although it actually could be that, in the sense that we all have the > power to > do what is important to us. However, I think the main message of PHTP is > we > have the power to change our world- we just have to get up, take action, > and > open our mouths to do it- a very political stance, IMHO. > > Patt's unfortunate support for Nader is just as valid to me for discussion > as might be the setlist at Lincoln Center, a new album, etc. As I said in > a > previous post, it's hard for me to reconcile my love of Patti as an artist > with her support of Nader, who I think is a spoiler, and is too > intelligent not > to know it. For that matter, so is Patti. > > xxo- Seena > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > ( > http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > -- "My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic." -Spike Milligan From babel-list-owner Sun Mar 2 14:49:33 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22MnXiM022928 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:49:33 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m22MnXIR022927 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:49:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22MnP8K022904 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:49:31 -0800 Received: from GeoMakla by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id m.d17.229d18a1 (37553) for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-DC15 (webmail-dc15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.149.37]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB032-92b147cb2eee58; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:49:18 -0500 References: To: babel-list Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's> requiem Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:49:18 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 70.238.146.126 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: geomakla X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34865-STANDARD Received: from 70.238.146.126 by WEBMAIL-DC15.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.37) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:49:18 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA4ACEC8720AD5-FC0-5E1> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ What's sad is that the poster who originated this thread is gone A member of content and insight for quite a while and now he is unmentioned like kindling before a warm fire. Mark in St. Louis unknown poets support they have to the voice is unignorable... Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good you'll have to ram them down people's throats.--Howard Aiken -----Original Message----- From: Poemsl1 To: babel-list Sent: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 1:57 pm Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's I disagree with the idea that we should only talk about Patti, her music, setlists, etc. She is very political and provocative in her music, and the way she talks with audiences at times, for example urging them to vote. And what do you think "People Have the Power" is? An anthem for athletes, lol? Although it actually could be that, in the sense that we all have the power to do what is important to us. However, I think the main message of PHTP is we have the power to change our world- we just have to get up, take action, and open our mouths to do it- a very political stance, IMHO. Patt's unfortunate support for Nader is just as valid to me for discussion as might be the setlist at Lincoln Center, a new album, etc. As I said in a previous post, it's hard for me to reconcile my love of Patti as an artist with her support of Nader, who I think is a spoiler, and is too intelligent not to know it. For that matter, so is Patti. xxo- Seena **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From babel-list-owner Sun Mar 2 15:05:03 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22N53Za023436 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:05:03 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m22N53qf023435 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:05:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m22N50u6023427 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:05:01 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so3498716rvb.33 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:04:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=KNTfk7O8qEo6gT/mumun+HVOWGiIdX4q5wXPf6+oCwY=; b=p72EfvxQWGDVs/R/pXNEjCsMcGKSblKmkXBlLzkS0pWUPn71Z25l3TQUW81lLqmQDIs+oVOyFPhx7EKLWnsSS0viGiEBJQy/nHDCXPlBePG+OvZFx3WQuGlvUBE+XejEiw57fRHqJt6LeeYJbeQhycJ1/TKfZSJPpLtmSnz47x4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MMhHEVJmlz61oESqNiOeiaYin8PgLIQWeS6i186M+bDK2rk9HIzXkpCiE1N4eub5KomJFyRAvM0I2RqxKfc5Uz2pHYzAx/8Bf/ULMyLT9kyLWhrZsgZrMiqKw1BTZfqoNhwqt/M6lu17SXmYKdk3i9r9boSxTTV/ccMXS6vDdBw= Received: by 10.141.15.19 with SMTP id s19mr7526549rvi.75.1204499097558; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.211.16 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:04:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:04:57 -0800 From: "Page Rox" To: geomakla Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's> requiem Cc: babel-list In-Reply-To: <8CA4ACEC8720AD5-FC0-5E1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <8CA4ACEC8720AD5-FC0-5E1> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Who was the original poster? I didn't read thru all the posts and can't figure out who exactly did start this. My input was just that--input based on skimming over the top--I can't find the original thread--just one reply from Anthony R. ??? XO-Glenna On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 2:49 PM, wrote: > What's sad > is that > the poster who > originated this thread > is gone > > A member > of content > and insight > for quite a while > and now > he is unmentioned > like kindling > before a warm fire. > > Mark in St. Louis > > unknown poets support > they have to > the voice is unignorable... > > > > > > Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good > you'll have to ram them down people's throats.--Howard Aiken > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poemsl1 > To: babel-list > Sent: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 1:57 pm > Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree with the idea that we should only talk about Patti, her music, > setlists, etc. She is very political and provocative in her music, and > the way > > she talks with audiences at times, for example urging them to vote. And > what do you think "People Have the Power" is? An anthem for athletes, > lol? > Although it actually could be that, in the sense that we all have the > power to > do what is important to us. However, I think the main message of PHTP is > we > have the power to change our world- we just have to get up, take action, > and > open our mouths to do it- a very political stance, IMHO. > > Patt's unfortunate support for Nader is just as valid to me for discussion > as might be the setlist at Lincoln Center, a new album, etc. As I said in > a > previous post, it's hard for me to reconcile my love of Patti as an artist > with her support of Nader, who I think is a spoiler, and is too > intelligent not > > to know it. For that matter, so is Patti. > > xxo- Seena > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > ( > http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > -- "My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic." -Spike Milligan From babel-list-owner Mon Mar 3 04:06:19 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m23C6IUj020511 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 04:06:18 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m23C6IAx020510 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 04:06:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m23C6GZR020503 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 04:06:17 -0800 Received: from panix2.panix.com (panix2.panix.com [166.84.1.2]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589E534820; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from spamtony) by panix2.panix.com (8.11.6p3/8.8.8/PanixN1.1) id m23C6OS24998; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:06:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200803031206.m23C6OS24998> Subject: 7 years of Ralphbait. To: lydonr (Lybbie) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:06:24 -0500 (EST) From: "weapons of mass destruction-related program activities" Cc: babel-list In-Reply-To: Reply-To: spamtony (Anthony J. Rzepela) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5+IMAP PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Lybbie (lydonr) wrote: > Wow I'm surprised to see this kind of message appear on this list. > I don't post very often at all but I always thought politics > was discussed pretty freely here. > When did it change? I've seen plenty of freewheeling political discussion here over the years with no clampdown. But for 7 years now, pretty much anywhere you go on the 'net, the mere mention of Ralph's name produces exchanges pretty much summed up as: "Ralph spoiled 2000." "Did not!" "Did!" "Did not!" "Oh, he SO did, you pigfucker!" [...and on and on...] And Ralph's name comes up here more than in many other places because of Patti's support for him over the years. Still, that's a flimsy excuse for another Ralph flame war. So after 7 years of this, I think the man in charge has every right to make the call he did, as guilty as I am personally of diving in pretty much every time it happens. It should be possible in 2008 for someone to report the facts of Ralph Nader's latest political activity (yes, Patti content), without another tired pissing match following like day follows night. From babel-list-owner Mon Mar 3 05:36:33 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m23DaXXV023444 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 05:36:33 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m23DaX3j023443 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 05:36:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.81]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id m23DaVcM023434 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 05:36:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 39310 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 13:36:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=r0f4ZJWLEtFWUxO3FXD0qJ+YThF7bBBRsFNXX4LYOnvw4O24F6GCZIxsI+vaudjL8MQ/vI0XnSD97ZEIn9+WJCiOmJavzZhFaGlbRDwDDLWKv0fX/juN+z2lhZBkMCkDWz3GvzXAnZKJW684tL1I6IN66O2OoEuWLu3tJIo5JLo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO TheDoktorPC) (rock-and-roll@99.248.205.85 with login) by smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 13:36:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kELuCNwVM1nPqiN07q4MJ5qFGv7oCrrAmztoyYhSZ7uXVF6Bz4Wgfq3UKvgaXO_CWw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "dok" To: References: <200803031206.m23C6OS24998> In-Reply-To: <200803031206.m23C6OS24998> Subject: RE: 7 years of Ralphbait. Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:36:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c87d33$92ec4160$b8c4c420$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ach9KIhce27GKEDaQTOstIYyiFjMGgACtvWw Content-Language: en-ca Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Thank you; enough said? -----Original Message----- From: owner-babel-list [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities Sent: March-03-08 7:06 AM To: Lybbie Cc: babel-list Subject: 7 years of Ralphbait. Lybbie (lydonr) wrote: > Wow I'm surprised to see this kind of message appear on this list. > I don't post very often at all but I always thought politics > was discussed pretty freely here. > When did it change? I've seen plenty of freewheeling political discussion here over the years with no clampdown. But for 7 years now, pretty much anywhere you go on the 'net, the mere mention of Ralph's name produces exchanges pretty much summed up as: "Ralph spoiled 2000." "Did not!" "Did!" "Did not!" "Oh, he SO did, you pigfucker!" [...and on and on...] And Ralph's name comes up here more than in many other places because of Patti's support for him over the years. Still, that's a flimsy excuse for another Ralph flame war. So after 7 years of this, I think the man in charge has every right to make the call he did, as guilty as I am personally of diving in pretty much every time it happens. It should be possible in 2008 for someone to report the facts of Ralph Nader's latest political activity (yes, Patti content), without another tired pissing match following like day follows night. From babel-list-owner Mon Mar 3 05:36:20 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m23DaJtk023427 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 05:36:20 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m23DaJun023426 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 05:36:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m23DaHfX023420 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 05:36:18 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=g7YyDtE7lrgiyfGl/XZeMB4sQjJJaOj9vrWdx+0FUdmA/8+WaDcUJwuMDK0N08B6; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.26] (helo=mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JWApw-0006Ov-Pk for babel-list; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:36:12 -0500 Received: from 76.200.145.167 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:36:12 -0500 Message-ID: <28455032.1204551372728.JavaMail.root> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 05:36:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: acbv Reply-To: acbv To: babel-list Subject: test -- hello? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6c0377717606c0adf402879cecb40bd54f1e7cd1113b3b7336ba7d1a8093f0930e6c9ce5071bc435350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I'm not getting list digests... just checking to see if this comes through. sorry From babel-list-owner Mon Mar 3 06:45:29 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m23EjTj0026048 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 06:45:29 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m23EjTmF026047 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 06:45:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m23EjRc8026033 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 06:45:28 -0800 Received: from Poemsl1 by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id m.d62.14cb74d8 (33856); Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:45:10 -0500 (EST) From: Poemsl1 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:45:10 EST Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Patti=20Smith=20in=20the=20Parlor,=20Still=20Raw=20and?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20Rock=20=E2=80=99n=E2=80=99=20Roll-=20At=20Lincoln=20Center?= To: babel-list, eternalcafe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ xxo- Seena _http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/arts/music/03patt.html?_r=1&ref=music&oref = slogin_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/arts/music/03patt.html?_r=1&ref=music&oref =slogin) (go to link above for pic) March 3, 2008 Music Review | Patti Smith Patti Smith in the Parlor, Still Raw and Rock bnb Roll By _STEPHEN HOLDEN_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/stephen_holden/ index.html?inline=nyt-per) For some musicians the ordinary rules just donbt apply. I would call the intangible quality that makes ignoring them possible purity of soul. More than artistic integrity, it has a mystical component and requires the listener to make a leap of faith. That quality has always defined _Patti Smith_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/patti_smith/ind ex.html?inline=nyt-per) , the shamanistic poet, proto-punk-rocker and voice in the wilderness who closed _Lincoln Center_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/l/lincoln_ center_for_the_performing_arts/index.html?inline=nyt-org) bs American Songbook series this season at the Allen Room on Saturday with a program consisting largely of popular standards. Performing songs she lovingly associated with her parents, she was accompanied by a trio that included Luis Resto on piano, Paul Nowinski on bass and her son, Jackson Smith, on acoustic guitar. The quavering, ragged-but-stalwart voice she brought to bStar Dust,b bMy Funny Valentine,b bAutumn Leaves,b bIbll Be Seeing Youb and others was a quieter, lower-register variation of the fervent rock intensity she imparted to several of her best-known songs. But even in a quiet mode, playing the grown-up daughter sitting with hands folded on her lap in the parlor, her singing suggested the spiritual call to commitment of a rock bnb roll Joan of Arc. Of how many performers can it be said that being 61 going on 16 doesnbt look at all ridiculous? The show brought to mind _Willie Nelson_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/n/willie_nelson/i ndex.html?inline=nyt-per) bs b Stardustb album, the 30-year-old masterpiece of laconic pop tribute in which Mr. Nelson drove the great American songbook from Austin to El Paso in a covered-wagon caravan. Where Mr. Nelsonbs spare, guitar-oriented versions of standards were flattened into a plain country-folk vernacular, Ms. Smithbs were downright raw. She didnbt carefully memorize all the lyrics and often interpolated her approximations of rhymes as she went along. Melodies were spontaneously adjusted, the better to get from here to there without uncomfortable transitions. Especially at the beginning of the show, she seemed to be feeling her way. Then her confidence kicked in. She sang a teenage pop trinket b Kathy Youngb s 1960 hit, bA Thousand Starsb b with a primal throb that minutes later infused Hank Williamsbs bIbm So Lonesome I Could Cry.b Her dark, dramatic version of bDonbt Smoke in Bedb held its own beside interpretations by _Peggy Lee_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/peggy_lee/index .html?inline=nyt-per) , Nina Simone and _K. D. Lang_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/k_d_lang/index. html?inline=nyt-per) . A quiet, brooding bAutumn Leavesb located the grief at the bottom of the song. Her biggest hit, bBecause the Night,b elicited an intimate recollection of the courtship with her husband, Fred (Sonic) Smith, who died in 1994, in which an anxious evening spent waiting for his phone call found its way into the lyrics. In bPeople Have the Powerb and bDancing Barefootb her exhortatory powers provoked a euphoric communal trance. As emphatically as popular-music purists would dismiss Ms. Smithbs handling of standards, for my money academic purism was trumped by her purity of soul, which after all these years remains untainted. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duf fy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From babel-list-owner Mon Mar 3 07:44:42 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m23FigdD028470 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:44:42 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m23Figjt028469 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:44:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mx2.kronos.com (mx2.kronos.com [158.228.82.133]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m23FidFV028459 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:44:40 -0800 X-WSS-ID: 0JX5VQI-02-0H3-01 Received: from Front-end2.KRONOS.COM (front-end2.kronos.com [158.228.2.30]) by mx2.kronos.com (Tumbleweed MailGate 3.5.1) with ESMTP id 21BDA67902C; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchg-f.KRONOS.COM ([158.228.0.199]) by Front-end2.KRONOS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:44:36 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:44:34 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001e01c87c88$318a1ab0$90fe2752> Thread-Topic: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's Thread-Index: Ach8iHwAgo2d4II1Rnu7XbIW/6TrcAAvLSfA References: <200802251840.m1PIe9g23311> <015c01c877e3$5342fe00$8f01a8c0> <46EEE4E316B94D9EA5BC89C816172064> <000d01c87c81$41d2f970$90fe2752> <000301c87c84$77ccfff0$6766ffd0$@com> <001e01c87c88$318a1ab0$90fe2752> From: "Gart, Mitchell" To: "Carol Green" , "dok" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2008 15:44:36.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BDEE600:01C87D45] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id m23FieFV028465 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I will not comment. I will not be drawn in. (Repeat to self) - Mitch -----Original Message----- From: owner-babel-list [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of Carol Green Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:10 PM To: dok; babel-list Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's *Personally, I read this list for Patti specific information, notes, concert updates* You must wait a long time on this list then, I admire your patience. carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "dok" To: Cc: "'Carol Green'" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 4:42 PM Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > Personally, I read this list for Patti specific information, notes, > concert > updates, the sense of community, etc. I'm aware of the thin thread of > connection between herself and Mr. Nader, but *this thread* quickly became > non-Patti and spiralled down the path of who was right and who was wrong, > politically speaking, with virtually no Patti relevance. Best guess is > that > there better forums to continue that dialogue. > > In the interim, I like your last paragraph best. =] > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-babel-list > [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of Carol Green > Sent: March-02-08 11:20 AM > To: Lybbie; babel-list > Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > > I don't know, but I did wonder if the people who don't want to talk > politics > > here are the same people that go to Patti's gigs? If so, what do they do > when Patti starts singing Rock N Roll Nigger? Disappear to the bathroom? > > While I'm here could I just clarify something I said on a previous post. > The > > thing I put in "quotes" about Nader's paperwork wasn't in quotes because > it > was something Patti had said, it was in quotes as I was quoting from a > newspaper - nothing to do with Patti. Sorry if I confused anyone. > > What I said about hoping Patti says whatever she wants at the Lincoln > Centre > > was because I was fed up with people on this list blaming her (indirectly, > perhaps) for everything from Bush being elected to what happened on 9/11. > > Anyway, any reports from people who were at the Lincoln Centre last night? > What was the setlist? What stories did she tell.... > > carol > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lybbie" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > > >> Wow I'm surprised to see this kind of message appear on this list. >> I don't post very often at all but I always thought politics was >> discussed > >> pretty freely here. >> When did it change? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jane Sooby" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:19 PM >> Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's >> >> >>> Sorry to be a buzz kill but this thread is entirely off topic, given the >>> topic is Patti Smith, and it's filling up my inbox with a bunch of crap. >>> Please cease and desist. Is this list not moderated? >>> >>> Thank you for returning to the topic at hand, Patti Smith! >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-babel-list >>> [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of weapons of mass >>> destruction-related program activities >>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:40 AM >>> To: babel-list >>> Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's >>> >>> Gart, Mitchell (Mitchell.Gart) wrote: >>>> >>>> But he didn't and now he's going to >>>> try to screw things up again. Unforgiveable. >>> >>> And this year, with a deep division in the Democratic >>> Party over the nomination running 50-50, a whole lotta >>> progressive folks are going to be walking around this >>> Fall after the convention feeling at least disenchanted >>> and disenfranchised, to say nothing of bitter. >>> >>> So Saint Ralph has the best shot he's had since 2000 at >>> scraping some scum off the top of the pond. Which is good >>> for him, because even though he's had eight years to build >>> something resembling a viable 3rd party, getting people >>> elected, participating in debates, etc - you know, *work* - >>> he apparently prefers to wait, like a vulture, for a >>> bunch of disaffected quasi-liberals to be found alongside >>> the road baking in the hot sun. Yum! From babel-list-owner Mon Mar 3 10:16:33 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m23IGXm5001796 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:16:33 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m23IGXph001795 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:16:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m23IGVQ5001785 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:16:32 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tsGh5zL7oHDFbPsjnJa8YP280CeQAQeJw9qttN0sWzr2QUfUU+hpJhNy+/RRhhrf; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.165.33.206] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JWFDA-0003dX-Go for babel-list; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:16:28 -0500 Message-ID: <380-2200831318729703> Reply-To: ravensdawn X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) From: "Paul Perner" To: "babel-list" Subject: RE: test -- hello? Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:07:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 4edfec6b6b5efd62da0aaa6235189d65239a348a220c2609e525b2b6f318190bd940a4b8be9ca7873ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.165.33.206 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > [Original Message] > From: acbv > > I'm not getting list digests... just checking to see if this comes through. > > sorry And I'm not getting love letters from Patti..... ....and not getting paid or laid.... or richer, younger.... I'm one sorry old sonofabitch, too. Not that you're one, but if there's any other list members who could use some company for their misery, you know where to find me. Paul From babel-list-owner Tue Mar 4 03:11:01 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24BAPn7003181 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 03:10:46 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m24BAKPg003176 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 03:10:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.186]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24B9mCj003136 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 03:10:09 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so406671rvb.33 for ; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:09:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Webcbu9FwaqkaoUqWkCICh+XR0c0skXWeYoYhhS5Ux8=; b=rXTk7eHr9O+nDqarihchxX42fWEaVgHAG3aXrMVc2QSig2BFsu+jFxQ/H3f2H4fG91SfIszFf9Y2dH+WJeZHN0tRWUXTfQY+7Dw0gzvNfDUAy57idOGX//DIo2dhd0+snXmwxpq0ybT+Z1Sx1ymiZQAN8PGQaZQDxEo8qNac3FM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=djUgCOxTkfjCwwL6KG6Ja9zsk8KJFbnbX74OGRY8LVEhV5ib38aRpHsxNiKvTmj49F9n0PkqmYmedJPeIejA3FePz3rE0gj1maLc9+d/L54ojxzMCzLHeuI9lLc9idDaEHgJtsxZLY16IniZrIV6FwdnPmOvpCONFWBgz6j/00s= Received: by 10.140.203.9 with SMTP id a9mr512469rvg.203.1204628969008; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.211.16 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 03:09:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 03:09:28 -0800 From: "Page Rox" To: Poemsl1 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Patti_Smith_in_the_Parlor,_Still_R?= =?UTF-8?Q?aw_and_Rock_=E2=80=99n=E2=80=99_Roll-_At_Lincoln_Center?= Cc: babel-list, eternalcafe In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Seena, dear!! "Star Dust, My Funny Valentine, Autumn Leaves, l'll Be Seeing Youb and others..." Oh Seena!! What a fantastic evening this must've been......did anyone see this (You?) Its JUST the kind of Patti gig I'd really be SO interested in seeing...not that every Patti gig doesn't have its charm, this in particular is so, well, charming! Those songs are so right for her--torch songs. In other, non-Patti-but-Patti-kind-of-stuff, (lol!) I watched La Vie en Rose for the first time a couple days ago. So wonderful, and the songs reminded me of Patti's. The actress who played Piaf reminded me of Patti in her strength, which of course was Edith's strength, and truly inspired me. Now I hear of this wonderful evening.. I hope someone caught it on "tape". Please someone let me know if its out there and where/how to obtain a copy! THIS one I really would love to hear. Thankyou so much for this review/pix--truly a "Because The Night" night. XOXO-Glenna From babel-list-owner Tue Mar 4 02:15:00 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24AEUjt000945 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 02:14:50 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m24AEPV8000942 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 02:14:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24ADw6Y000883 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 02:14:19 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so393470rvb.33 for ; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:13:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=FR7maacToobnTlNStN3NRDUpGVsNDxd9JgMQMTcwgSA=; b=K89f8HnG/PbK4UKda+r43s5/Azwnl/Ow+eI3H/SP33msRQGq75pk2ObUQHaqSMdGxGDpuTXgKwTWki6ua0/6jLgYg4aznhIhxyBcs4yfnMsMP5nRILtFZHgGkW/j/tu32WK5yySFxKGwvBCPdBWNQqqHAZEpI29/ykbH/GC5Dk8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=OlJB6xOtH4bz5MqiWasQE+PrKDnU/UTKtmwBcMChdkGFwWeMMT8szYl8jkc+BnSTa/Z+zudqqRB1uVZKVEOVGkoY/3wbAwCscyJxMSJzW4eOT6YxdsX76UBlqNwvh0oD2EiZjlgWTULel8XFrKPd3K2n6xpiHO7gcWiTEvDWbJI= Received: by 10.140.191.14 with SMTP id o14mr524118rvf.130.1204625619911; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.211.16 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 02:13:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 02:13:39 -0800 From: "Page Rox" To: ravensdawn Subject: Re: test -- hello? Cc: babel-list In-Reply-To: <380-2200831318729703> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <380-2200831318729703> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Sorry Paul---and hoping acbv is getting digested right now--for all the right reasons! ;-) Any resolve to the general dismal tone of this nation would be a welcome relief! XO-Glenna On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Paul Perner wrote: > > [Original Message] > > From: acbv > > > > I'm not getting list digests... just checking to see if this comes > through. > > > > sorry > > > And I'm not getting love letters from Patti..... > ....and not getting paid or laid.... or richer, > younger.... > > I'm one sorry old sonofabitch, too. > > Not that you're one, but if there's any other > list members who could use some company > for their misery, you know where to find me. > > Paul > -- "My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic." -Spike Milligan From babel-list-owner Tue Mar 4 06:00:01 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24DxUFo010496 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:59:51 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m24DxPtA010493 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:59:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24Dwwqd010416 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:59:19 -0800 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c30so1755595wra.21 for ; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:58:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=HQ9pAItWcPn2CDGN2PVtRfhr3QDfdREfLXhEHq1Nskw=; b=QrkBYLA6XEtxdAQ723gWENITgDR5bMdgC7GBc9Dna70713FUao3zIy7eW1ledPY1PrAAc0n/i+NppcYhmc0Ah6z3d49GnJdA2cM3OvbE2QmQh3ts2eN+WzsdgjNZBeL1KtBnNzRGtpDfx+2VB4yekvTZ4Mhv97v/rfVk1nHgkE4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ljOzmG8670EW5jN+eUJ50EZFE76LymEKfGOhfxD3BUJ4vTS1IaBuH94Krj4z2LzCSumgA6ZxNLMSnRBdWISNb6oo1Hh0+fyJrmiN3REHiMYSK0xVunX6rCUv0E1fZzrSAm129quyoDsO2F6ay6D2I6kxFqV8tKktPHOXJO0GPHg= Received: by 10.141.141.3 with SMTP id t3mr595371rvn.72.1204639115364; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.211.16 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:58:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:58:35 -0800 From: "Page Rox" To: dok Subject: Re: 7 years of Ralphbait. Cc: babel-list In-Reply-To: <000601c87d33$92ec4160$b8c4c420$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200803031206.m23C6OS24998> <000601c87d33$92ec4160$b8c4c420$@com> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Makes sense to me, and THANKYOU!! WHEW!! XO-Glenna On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:36 AM, dok wrote: > Thank you; enough said? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-babel-list > [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of weapons of mass > destruction-related program activities > Sent: March-03-08 7:06 AM > To: Lybbie > Cc: babel-list > Subject: 7 years of Ralphbait. > > Lybbie (lydonr) wrote: > > > Wow I'm surprised to see this kind of message appear on this list. > > I don't post very often at all but I always thought politics > > was discussed pretty freely here. > > When did it change? > > I've seen plenty of freewheeling political > discussion here over the years with no clampdown. > > But for 7 years now, pretty much anywhere you > go on the 'net, the mere mention of Ralph's name > produces exchanges pretty much summed up as: > > "Ralph spoiled 2000." > "Did not!" > "Did!" > "Did not!" > "Oh, he SO did, you pigfucker!" > > [...and on and on...] > > And Ralph's name comes up here more than in many > other places because of Patti's support for him > over the years. Still, that's a flimsy excuse > for another Ralph flame war. > > So after 7 years of this, I think the man in charge > has every right to make the call he did, as guilty as I > am personally of diving in pretty much every time > it happens. > > It should be possible in 2008 for someone to report > the facts of Ralph Nader's latest political activity > (yes, Patti content), without another tired pissing > match following like day follows night. > -- "My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic." -Spike Milligan From babel-list-owner Tue Mar 4 06:44:45 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24EiK9o011928 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 06:44:40 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m24EiFq9011924 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 06:44:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24EhsOR011876 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 06:44:14 -0800 Received: from panix3.panix.com (panix3.panix.com [166.84.1.3]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD3D2940E for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from spamtony) by panix3.panix.com (8.11.6p3/8.8.8/PanixN1.1) id m24Ehdm28254 for babel-list; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:43:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200803041443.m24Ehdm28254> Subject: [RC] Let's try this again. To: babel-list Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:43:39 -0500 (EST) From: "weapons of mass destruction-related program activities" Reply-To: spamtony (Anthony J. Rzepela) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5+IMAP PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ralph Nader will be the guest on tonight's episode of "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart". TDS is shown on Comedy Central (USA) at 11PM Eastern. Show website: http://www.thedailyshow.com/ From babel-list-owner Tue Mar 4 07:52:08 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24Fpctw014436 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:51:58 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m24FpXP0014431 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:51:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mx1.kronos.com (mx1.kronos.com [158.228.82.132]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24Fp73V014398 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:51:27 -0800 X-WSS-ID: 0JX7QOO-01-JU6-01 Received: from Front-end2.KRONOS.COM (front-end2.kronos.com [158.228.2.30]) by mx1.kronos.com (Tumbleweed MailGate 3.5.1) with ESMTP id 2D5A824C799; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchg-f.KRONOS.COM ([158.228.0.199]) by Front-end2.KRONOS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:50:46 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [RC] Let's try this again. Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:50:45 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200803041443.m24Ehdm28254> Thread-Topic: [RC] Let's try this again. Thread-Index: Ach+COa6RQyBcKeaS+arv47nKVLVpwAAmEGQ References: <200803041443.m24Ehdm28254> From: "Gart, Mitchell" To: "Anthony J. Rzepela" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2008 15:50:46.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[83057000:01C87E0F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id m24FpR3V014427 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ There's a tongue-in-cheek article on Ralph in this week's Time Mag http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1718578,00.html The title is "How Sorry is this Guy" and the author talks about how Nader should make a joke out of it, for example: Nader would come out onstage to Britney Spears' Oops! ... I Did It Again and maybe do one of those supershort apology trips to rehab, blaming his involvement in the 2000 election on Quaaludes or yerba mate or whatever drug someone like Ralph Nader might take. - Mitch -----Original Message----- From: owner-babel-list [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:44 AM To: babel-list Subject: [RC] Let's try this again. Ralph Nader will be the guest on tonight's episode of "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart". TDS is shown on Comedy Central (USA) at 11PM Eastern. Show website: http://www.thedailyshow.com/ From babel-list-owner Tue Mar 4 09:40:38 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24HeboS019388 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:40:37 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m24HebG3019386 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:40:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24HeaOh019379 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:40:36 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=nxxXc0w6QGGMWsGj8AH0IOu7ETRL3q46EnumL1IvYswWhs65KUmsUVJ3AVHcDo2+; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.24] (helo=mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JWb7y-0002be-81 for babel-list; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:40:34 -0500 Received: from 69.109.72.10 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:40:31 -0500 Message-ID: <10069201.1204652432004.JavaMail.root> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:40:31 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: acbv Reply-To: acbv To: babel-list Subject: one more test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6c0377717606c0adf402879cecb40bd54f1e7cd1113b3b73fadcd92523b14d45b9fb2594b939860e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.24 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ ... apologies From babel-list-owner Tue Mar 4 10:19:20 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24IJKkt021335 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:19:20 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m24IJJp5021334 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:19:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mk-filter-2-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24IJFfZ021321 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:19:17 -0800 X-Trace: 680877954/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.66.52.127 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.52.127 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: stonepony X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAPogzUdPQjR//2dsb2JhbACtaw Received: from 79-66-52-127.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO homef63979038c) ([79.66.52.127]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 04 Mar 2008 18:14:59 +0000 Message-ID: <008a01c87e23$890265d0$7f34424f> From: "David Metcalfe" To: References: <10069201.1204652432004.JavaMail.root> Subject: Re: one more test Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:13:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ No worries. It's infinitely more enthralling than the bickering over Nader et al going on here lately. Everyone has a view point but does it need to be aired endlessly on this group? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "acbv" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: one more test > ... apologies > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: > 03/03/2008 18:50 From babel-list-owner Tue Mar 4 09:37:07 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24Hb7VW019207 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:37:07 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m24Hb7vF019206 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:37:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24Hb4up019199 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:37:05 -0800 Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JWb4b-0008Cr-9M; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:37:05 +0000 Received: from [82.39.254.144] (helo=Nelson) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JWb4a-000787-CB; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:37:04 +0000 Message-ID: <003c01c87e1e$5be2fba0$90fe2752> From: "Carol Green" To: "L French" , "Babel list" References: <279026.87463.qm> Subject: Re: Patti get's political at Sundance: "It's an election year" Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:37:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ A slightly belated reply to this one but I just wanted to say that I saw 'Dream of Life' at the Berlin Film Festival last month and it was really well received there. I thoroughly enjoyed watching it and wouldn't hesitate to see it again. As mentioned below, it does include footage of Patti at various political rallies, but there is much more to it than that, as Patti says, it's an eleven-year slice of life. It was both entertaining and informative and Patti's sense of humour shone through. Thank you for posting the interview with Patti, it was interesting to read what she had to say about the three main Democrat candidates (there were three then!) I've just been reading an interview with Ralph Nader in the Village Voice in which they asked him if there were any mainstream candidates in the Democratic Party that he would have supported instead of running? Here's the link to that interview: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2008/03/ralph_nader_why.php carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "L French" To: "Babel list" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: Patti get's political at Sundance: "It's an election year" > It seems like Patti favors John Edwards in the Democratic primaries, but > given his slow fade to third, she will probably end up supporting Barack > Obama over Hillary Clinton, who as Patti notes, voted to send troops to > Iraq. > > Meanwhile, "Dream of Life" seems to be getting a very tepid response at > Sundance. I can't imagine it will get any kind of national distribution, > since Patti usually has trouble filling her live shows outside of her > stronghold bases on the east and west coasts. Seems it will likely just > show at film festivals, and possibly on PBS. Strangely, the press > conference Patti and Steven Sebring did at Sundance, that can be viewed at > Salon couldn't have helped sell the film. Patti seemed to be at a loss of > how to describe the film. And calling it a home movie isn't exactly what > will excite what few possible distributors may be interested in it! > > Steven Sebring certainly didn't help, as he seemed to repeat, "you know," > about 20 times in less than five minutes. Unfortunately, most people > "don't know." But as Robert Mapplethorpe discovered, Patti's work just > doesn't seem to translate well to film. Something about the camera seems > to shut off her expressiveness, and improvisational style. In fact, of all > the footage I've seen over the years of Patti, very little of comes close > to capturing her essence. > ________________ > > But From a blogger's report on Sundance: > > > ROCK AND POLITICS AT THE SUNDANCE FILM FESTIVAL > > By Jeffrey Ressner > > January 23, 2008 > > >  Motion Picture Association of America chief Dan Glickman reports that he > caught nearly a half-dozen movies in a little more than two days, > including the U2 concert film in 3-D, the Jack Black comedy Be Kind > Rewind and Henry Poole Is Here, the latter produced by Glickman pal Tom > Rosenberg of Lakeshore Entertainment. > >  Former Vice President Al Gore was seen walking into the U2 film sans > entourage, then sitting with the band at the screening after being > photographed by fans in the lobby amid screams of We love you! > Hard to tell who was the bigger rock star that night  Bono or Gore. > >  Breaking here from bold-faced political names, lets pause and rock a > bit. Music legend Patti Smith, arriving at Sundance for the world premiere > of a biographical documentary titled Patti Smith: Dream of Life, gave a > small club show Monday night during which she told faithful fans, Its an > election year  and I have no advice. (She did, in fact, implore the > crowd to register to vote and use your voice.) > > Earlier in the day, we had a brief discussion with the punk-poet goddess > behind memorable anthems such as People Have the Power and Because the > Night. Wearing a T-shirt with a scrawled peace sign design, she seemed > extremely serious about the upcoming election and exercising her right to > vote. > > Im being very vigilant in studying our candidates, she said, referring > to herself as a Democrat by blood but still fiercely independent. I > feel that one of the things thats important in our process is to have > multiple candidates  thats one of the things Ralph Nader was working so > hard to preserve. > > Of the three main Democratic candidates, she said, Edwards is very > forthright, and I like him. Im still learning about Obama. Ive always > had great respect for Hillary but was so heartbroken that she buckled > during the vote [to invade Iraq], as did [most of] the Democrats. I was > watching the vote on TV and praying that she would stand up and go against > the grain and do what was morally right, and thats haunted me. > > Smith says shes still very undecided about Obama. Yes, she said, hes > a beautiful speaker, but Im still waiting to hear an emotional connection > to him. I havent felt it, and I dont know why. ... But its still early, > and Im still studying him. It took me a while to warm up to John > Edwards, she said, adding that the third-ranked Democrat lays out plans > to me, and he says what he thinks. > > As for the GOP crowd, she hurled special vitriol at Rudy Giuliani, the > former mayor of her hometown. I detest him, she said flatly. Hes used > 9/11 [to win votes], which should not be used. He didnt do anything that > any other person in his position [wouldnt have done]. I dont see that he > has communication skills or an understanding of global politics or other > cultures. To me, hes not presidential. > > Smith had a difficult time digesting big-money politics in general, > however. Its very hard for me to stay a good citizen because of all this > money wasted. Its hard for me to watch the Democrats waste $50 million on > [political] advertising when, being the so-called peoples party, that > money could help education and fund a lot of arts programs in schools  > the hypocrisy is palpable. > > Dream of Life includes footage of Smith at various political rallies, > making Bush-bashing speeches and protesting the war in Iraq. The subject > of war continues to grieve her. We forgot what happened in Vietnam and > let it happen again, she said. I loved Hillary, and I felt personally > hurt by her action. We look to people like her as the guardians of our > ideals. > > She insisted that the anti-Bush and anti-Iraq material be included in the > film bio, even if it might seem dated in the next year or so. Id like to > be remembered as a person who acted and spoke out against it, she > concluded. [Invading Iraq] was one of the most deplorable things in the > past decade. Its so fresh in my mind that there are still these young > soldiers and innocent Iraqis dying. Its not going to go away with an > election; its going to take decades to recover from the damage. > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From babel-list-owner Tue Mar 4 11:40:44 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24Jei1u025226 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:40:44 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m24Jegsw025225 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:40:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24JedGX025212 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:40:41 -0800 Received: from Poemsl1 by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id o.cca.28f9c00b (48600); Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:40:29 -0500 (EST) From: Poemsl1 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:41:28 EST Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20Patti=20Smith=20in=20the=20Parlor,=20Still=20Raw?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20and=20Rock=20=E2=80=99n=E2=80=99=20Roll-=20At=20Lincoln=20C?= =?UTF-8?Q?enter?= To: pagerox93, babel-list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Glenna- I tried so hard to get tix to this one, but they were sold out before I could blink!!!! I would have loved hearing Patti sing all those standards- I'm a huge fan of that kind of music, the "American songbook" or whatever they call it! I too would be interested getting in a copy of it. Haven't seen the Piaf flick yet but it sounds good. I'm sure Patti would appreciate it. There are so few singers that truly reach their listeners' souls like Smith and Piaf! xxo- Seena **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From babel-list-owner Tue Mar 4 12:03:18 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24K3HcQ026318 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:03:18 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m24K3HZG026317 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:03:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24K3E91026310 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:03:16 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=fweXZRom/uVaPiNR5ed54cv/bSpj0D770OPk58/7n2tRPIA/yAtnqW6qoq+Xs25k; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.29] (helo=mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JWdM1-0007OR-T5 for babel-list; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:03:13 -0500 Received: from 69.109.72.10 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:03:13 -0500 Message-ID: <22129725.1204660993909.JavaMail.root> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:03:13 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: acbv Reply-To: acbv To: babel-list Subject: Re: one more test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6c0377717606c0adf402879cecb40bd54f1e7cd1113b3b73d5668638795508691eb9dce33868fbea350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.29 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Cool, I'm receiving the list again! -----Original Message----- >From: David Metcalfe >Sent: Mar 4, 2008 10:13 AM >To: babel-list >Subject: Re: one more test > >No worries. > >It's infinitely more enthralling than the bickering over Nader et al going >on here lately. > >Everyone has a view point but does it need to be aired endlessly on this >group? > >Dave > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "acbv" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:40 PM >Subject: one more test > > >> ... apologies From babel-list-owner Tue Mar 4 15:01:18 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24N1HuC004573 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:01:17 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m24N1Hw9004572 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:01:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m24N1FXE004550 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:01:16 -0800 Received: from Poemsl1 by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id m.cc1.2bb007f8 (48600); Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:01:04 -0500 (EST) From: Poemsl1 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:02:03 EST Subject: Sweet pic of Patti in college To: babel-list, eternalcafe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ _http://tinyurl.com/24vnwr_ (http://tinyurl.com/24vnwr) xxo- Seena **************It's Tax Time! 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(http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From babel-list-owner Wed Mar 5 01:53:45 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m259rjTp026328 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 01:53:45 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m259risX026326 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 01:53:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from po-out-1718.google.com (po-out-1718.google.com [72.14.252.157]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m259rh7H026317 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 01:53:43 -0800 Received: by po-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id y22so1367433pof.3 for ; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:53:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=AlUhjkBtiogQtDvsaFWCdLptEBWZzrr0ggwQ+6hMNb0=; b=G8itswXLSP2nP7vH/lcfPmoqcXlv8iXwLyeo6ywqJ5mx+4M+KwVL4MU2Ka749ES+8oX79SXsROBoM41Z5jpXOqYSaPcYfck13wpUcUQ3Xr2fb3bnhMSTER0Kd667KAOfjFx47gCLxPD+8hwmMcpoBjLYuf6mOP5pFcRoq85YC80= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Mi2IElycNyyqalrXr676tDI3Z4JSXUByUhUiikoQ627Bft6um0lfwYYpXb42hXUYXvDzCdLjZerngqf1+FYeOFQ01CwccBT+4jydlUg4dLweDMXfOQyBsfxLDvqi8bN5fdWKoXy+PUapCg0KPeY6icRKVy1308hD2ZkszCjh2+c= Received: by 10.141.123.4 with SMTP id a4mr1055413rvn.294.1204710817895; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.211.16 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 01:53:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 01:53:37 -0800 From: "Page Rox" To: Poemsl1 Subject: Re: Sweet pic of Patti in college Cc: babel-list, eternalcafe In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ "The punk poet priestess narrates the film..."" There's that moniker again....ha! So she's thinking of having a loft in Philly? Interesting! Thanks for the cool early pic! She does look entirely sweet, as you say, Seena. AWWW!!!! ;-) XOXO-Glenna On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:02 PM, wrote: > _http://tinyurl.com/24vnwr_ (http://tinyurl.com/24vnwr) > > > xxo- Seena > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > -- "My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic." -Spike Milligan From babel-list-owner Wed Mar 5 09:54:03 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m25Hs335015857 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:54:03 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m25Hs39V015856 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:54:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m25Hs2IP015851 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:54:02 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (dsl-63-249-103-31.cruzio.com [63.249.103.31]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m25Hs2va008009 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:54:02 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <745d103f2f164806b46e550214e0b5b6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: babel-list From: Jeff Riedle Subject: Re:Patti Weed 12/29/07 and 12/30/07 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:53:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Surprisingly, I still need two more people who want this. Last chance to let me know... With a belated HUGE thanks to Gina, I will pass on copies of each show to 3 people who promise to do the same. Sorry, my life is quite busy right now so I have to limit it to three. Email me your name and mailing address and I'll start the process. Thanks, Jeff Riedle in California From babel-list-owner Thu Mar 6 09:33:41 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m26HXdx2020643 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:33:41 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m26HXdOJ020642 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:33:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m26HXcwg020635 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:33:38 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (dsl-63-249-103-31.cruzio.com [63.249.103.31]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m26HXdxu096835 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:33:40 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: babel-list From: Jeff Riedle Subject: Re:Patti Weed 12/29/07 and 12/30/07 CLOSED Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:33:40 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ OK, my offer is now closed, and I'll send off 5 more copies to those that responded. Yeah, I know, I said I'd only do 3. But I gotta help out fellow fans!! Thanks, Jeff Riedle in California From babel-list-owner Thu Mar 6 23:02:17 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m2772GXR027789 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:02:17 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m2772GA4027788 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:02:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m2772Fgx027780 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:02:15 -0800 Received: from OMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id y6n21Y0020cZkys5400p00; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:01:22 +0000 Received: from XYZ ([24.7.92.9]) by OMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id y7231Y0040C6yMC3W00000; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:02:08 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=rITDv7nW5hcA:10 a=vC-PX7YN1PtuVpqKjnYA:9 a=zK7_W2JoI9gNGmNWEN8A:7 a=dM-N723gaKywA_rr008nLeQIPuIA:4 a=w70mJ0gqfYsA:10 a=ziFrdkHw70AA:10 Reply-To: From: "J" To: "'Andrew F Wilson'" , "'Babel-list'" Subject: RE: Oscars Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:03:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c88021$58f35fc0$6401a8c0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Thread-Index: Ach5WbSn0TVSWazQQJiNehQUM0L41gGxsfGw In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Don't know if anyone else noticed, but if I recall correctly, in Juno there's a quick shot in her bedroom where there is a stack of records (yes, vinyl) against her bed, and the one in front is Horses. ___________________________ J -----Original Message----- From: owner-babel-list [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of Andrew F Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:56 AM To: Babel-list Subject: Oscars I didn't watch the Oscars ceremony this year, but I noticed in the reports afterwards that there was some oblique Patti content. The best supporting actress award went to Tilda Swinton, who I know is a Patti-fan, as she once sat next to me during one of Patti's performances in London. Also, best original screenplay went to Juno - and Patti gets mentioned by one of the characters in that film. Kind regards Andrew From babel-list-owner Thu Mar 6 23:40:55 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m277es0q029197 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:40:54 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m277es1i029196 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:40:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m277epMl029184 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:40:52 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so169129rvb.33 for ; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:40:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=LJBmiwYgc6fkInt1cHEuR7LdoCCx3k4hQxbXo52P2kc=; b=vPPIrYlIgraSq0qc+CEBazAqN5VCx9ujQ41RXrkjlXX+a/HCS7wToQVYU27ZhzawPWgSjKWXI7NXCKv/GhibdKpavjgDUCqhfzs+fCGr7h/W02/DwPwcvRMXxTCnPc71My0fRqdkYzcrvuuhWLv/dIxUGuW9uxnpvpkK7AcO98s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=X1aB22tgKGjzn6P1ifUDhw63lnsrLGyVZkpTbNj9lIBjwMDr/zCLWG36dtkZWxLQ/a4r3dkMdGzfp4Z3jDduyKdM/bl5M+32w4N4N+t6ctf7MarzsPU/1nvDg13CiBPpNb+Qntjc6ufWBby5P1wsq1xfRFEhqEv8WJ7t9axMBKQ= Received: by 10.141.42.10 with SMTP id u10mr278855rvj.252.1204875652365; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.211.16 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:40:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:40:52 -0800 From: "Page Rox" To: "Gart, Mitchell" Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's Cc: "Carol Green" , dok , babel-list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200802251840.m1PIe9g23311> <015c01c877e3$5342fe00$8f01a8c0> <46EEE4E316B94D9EA5BC89C816172064> <000d01c87c81$41d2f970$90fe2752> <000301c87c84$77ccfff0$6766ffd0$@com> <001e01c87c88$318a1ab0$90fe2752> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Nah, Mitch--I'm just trying to find out who 'dropped out' after posting the 1st thing in this thread. I didn't read much or post but once--and it wasn't a hateful one, as you probably read! I'm just interested that someone said the person that started this thread is 'no longer with us' and what that means! No longer on the planet?! I'm sad!!! No longer on Babel-list? I probably have his/her email anyway, and he/she will probably come back, as is in my (and most likely YOUR) experience!! Cheers to you, hope you're doing fine!! Spring is ALMOST here--Hooray!!! XOXO-Glenna On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Gart, Mitchell wrote: > I will not comment. I will not be drawn in. (Repeat to self) > > - Mitch > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-babel-list > [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of Carol Green > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:10 PM > To: dok; babel-list > Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > > *Personally, I read this list for Patti specific information, notes, > concert > updates* > > You must wait a long time on this list then, I admire your patience. > > carol > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dok" > To: > Cc: "'Carol Green'" > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 4:42 PM > Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > > > > Personally, I read this list for Patti specific information, notes, > > concert > > updates, the sense of community, etc. I'm aware of the thin thread of > > connection between herself and Mr. Nader, but *this thread* quickly > became > > non-Patti and spiralled down the path of who was right and who was > wrong, > > politically speaking, with virtually no Patti relevance. Best guess is > > > that > > there better forums to continue that dialogue. > > > > In the interim, I like your last paragraph best. =] > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-babel-list > > [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of Carol Green > > Sent: March-02-08 11:20 AM > > To: Lybbie; babel-list > > Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > > > > I don't know, but I did wonder if the people who don't want to talk > > politics > > > > here are the same people that go to Patti's gigs? If so, what do they > do > > when Patti starts singing Rock N Roll Nigger? Disappear to the > bathroom? > > > > While I'm here could I just clarify something I said on a previous > post. > > The > > > > thing I put in "quotes" about Nader's paperwork wasn't in quotes > because > > it > > was something Patti had said, it was in quotes as I was quoting from a > > newspaper - nothing to do with Patti. Sorry if I confused anyone. > > > > What I said about hoping Patti says whatever she wants at the Lincoln > > Centre > > > > was because I was fed up with people on this list blaming her > (indirectly, > > perhaps) for everything from Bush being elected to what happened on > 9/11. > > > > Anyway, any reports from people who were at the Lincoln Centre last > night? > > What was the setlist? What stories did she tell.... > > > > carol > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lybbie" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:53 PM > > Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > > > > > >> Wow I'm surprised to see this kind of message appear on this list. > >> I don't post very often at all but I always thought politics was > >> discussed > > > >> pretty freely here. > >> When did it change? > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jane Sooby" > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:19 PM > >> Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > >> > >> > >>> Sorry to be a buzz kill but this thread is entirely off topic, given > the > >>> topic is Patti Smith, and it's filling up my inbox with a bunch of > crap. > >>> Please cease and desist. Is this list not moderated? > >>> > >>> Thank you for returning to the topic at hand, Patti Smith! > >>> > >>> Jane > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: owner-babel-list > >>> [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of weapons of > mass > >>> destruction-related program activities > >>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:40 AM > >>> To: babel-list > >>> Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's > >>> > >>> Gart, Mitchell (Mitchell.Gart) wrote: > >>>> > >>>> But he didn't and now he's going to > >>>> try to screw things up again. Unforgiveable. > >>> > >>> And this year, with a deep division in the Democratic > >>> Party over the nomination running 50-50, a whole lotta > >>> progressive folks are going to be walking around this > >>> Fall after the convention feeling at least disenchanted > >>> and disenfranchised, to say nothing of bitter. > >>> > >>> So Saint Ralph has the best shot he's had since 2000 at > >>> scraping some scum off the top of the pond. Which is good > >>> for him, because even though he's had eight years to build > >>> something resembling a viable 3rd party, getting people > >>> elected, participating in debates, etc - you know, *work* - > >>> he apparently prefers to wait, like a vulture, for a > >>> bunch of disaffected quasi-liberals to be found alongside > >>> the road baking in the hot sun. Yum! > -- "My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic." -Spike Milligan From babel-list-owner Fri Mar 7 12:55:50 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m27KtoRf004615 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:55:50 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m27Ktowr004614 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:55:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m27KtmIS004599 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:55:49 -0800 Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yHDA1Y00P0FhH24A80GH00; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:55:11 +0000 Received: from [69.141.61.217] ([69.141.61.217]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yLvA1Y00D4hDZot8U00100; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:55:46 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=dlPiPcMJV5UMKUPIkwsA:9 a=4Th56xbTflKT5CHi-23mLJUStCMA:4 a=koTz35KBAXcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <071C5610-47FA-4382-95C5-79E296DBA4AD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: babel-list From: dreams <88dreams> Subject: test Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:55:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ haven't gotten the list in awhile. is it my crappy internet server or no one has been writing? liz From babel-list-owner Fri Mar 7 15:45:38 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m27Njb8K013879 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:45:38 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m27NjbdS013878 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:45:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m27NjaQ1013866 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:45:36 -0800 Received: from Poemsl1 by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id m.ca5.25399f20 (30737); Fri, 7 Mar 2008 18:45:27 -0500 (EST) From: Poemsl1 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 18:45:27 EST Subject: Black White + Gray A Portrait of Sam Wagstaff & Robert Mapplethorpe on Sundance To: babel-list, eternalcafe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ _http://www.sundancechannel.com/films/500315221_ (http://www.sundancechannel.com/films/500315221) For those of you who have the Sundance Channel, Black White + Gray A Portrait of Sam Wagstaff and Robert Mapplethorpe is on tonight and tomorrow. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm pretty sure there is a Patti appearance. xxo- Seena **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From babel-list-owner Sat Mar 8 06:32:08 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m28EW8VD021592 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 06:32:08 -0800 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m28EW7vT021591 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 06:32:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.planetc.com (scanner-1.planetc.com [207.65.96.16]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m28EW6XQ021585 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 06:32:06 -0800 Received: from [207.65.110.87] (unverified [207.65.110.87]) by planetc.com (SurgeMail 3.8i3) with ESMTP id 173366717-1796138 for ; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 09:31:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) To: babel-list Message-Id: <54A2A772-ED1C-11DC-9635-0003938EB042> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: david mckenzie Subject: Fwd: REWEED Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:31:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_ip) X-Avast: Message is clean X-IP-stats: Isspam Incoming Last 0, First 512, in=2295, out=0, spam=1 ip=207.65.110.87 X-Originating-IP: 207.65.110.87 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Begin forwarded message: > From: david mckenzie > Date: March 7, 2008 7:25:54 AM EST > To: eternacafe > Subject: REWEED > > Thanks to Emily I can offer a reweed of PSG 12/29 & 12/30 to the first > 3 people who email me. > > DAve From babel-list-owner Tue Mar 11 12:17:48 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m2BJHmHA001911 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:17:48 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m2BJHliU001910 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:17:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.planetc.com (mail.planetc.com [207.65.96.16]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m2BJHjDo001897 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:17:46 -0700 Received: from [207.65.110.32] (unverified [207.65.110.32]) by planetc.com (SurgeMail 3.8i3) with ESMTP id 173956546-1796138 for multiple; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:17:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: eternacafe From: david mckenzie Subject: REWEEDS Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:16:26 -0500 To: babel-list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_ip) X-Avast: Message is clean X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 515, in=1894, out=0, spam=0 ip=207.65.110.32 X-Originating-IP: 207.65.110.32 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I still have 2 reweeds of 12/29 & 12/30. The first 2 emailers get them. Dave From babel-list-owner Thu Mar 13 16:25:25 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m2DNPPHd020140 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:25:25 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m2DNPO8x020139 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:25:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id m2DNPLqt020131 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:25:23 -0700 Received: (qmail 32476 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2008 23:25:14 -0000 Received: from 90.135.7.36 by www119.gmx.net with HTTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:25:14 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:25:14 +0100 From: "Birgit Mahner" Message-ID: <20080313232514.182020> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: RE: patti smith: dream of life To: babel-list X-Authenticated: #31018214 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19p1DIlAT1pHC6ykgWgMM17nD6Gix1cs4sqBp6wP8 PbwjQACIq1Mfq2M7vQ5Zrd5oNSwdrbJdYOyQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: tcKwdFcJeWUkUJQqsG5nLdIjL0tsZg0k Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ hi babellistas! do you believe this: mail a request to arte tv and they send you the movie immediately - for free?! i don't know if it works overseas (different country code?), but it's worth a try. mail to: vera.berger i start feeling a little sorry for them... buried in requests. in fact, arte is the coolest channel, no shit. *patti smith: dream of life* can be seen on arte tv on tuesday, 25. march, 11 pm. birgit *when we dream it when we dream it when we dream it let's dream it we'll dream it for free free money free money free money free money free money free money free* -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:01:48 +0100 Von: "Stagiaire Presse docu" An: B.MAHNER Betreff: RE: patti smith: dream of life Liebe Frau Mahner, nat|rlich kvnnen wir Ihnen eine Kopie von "Patti Smith: Dream of Life" zukommen lassen. Wir haben sie heute schon in die Post gegeben. Der Film ist wirklich gelungen und wir hoffen, dass ihn viele Zuschauer auf ARTE sehen werden. Mit freundlichen Gr|_en aus Stra_burg, i. A. Roland Lvbner Vera Berger Pressereferentin Dokumentarfilme __________________ ARTE G.E.I.E. 4, Quai du Chanoine Winterer F-67080 Strasbourg cedex oder Postfach 1980 D-77679 Kehl Tel. 0033 3 88 14 24 18 Fax: 0033 3 88 14 23 50 www.arte.tv www.artepro.com > >---------- >De : Birgit Mahner[SMTP:B.MAHNER] >Date : mercredi 12 mars 2008 23:51:07 >@ : Berger Vera >Objet : patti smith: dream of life >Transfiri automatiquement par une rhgle > liebe frau berger, ich bekam von einem anderen patti-smith-fan die info, dass ich den film "patti smith: dream of life" von steven sebring bei ihnen bekommen kvnnte. das wdre wunderbar, denn ich bin seit |ber 30 jahren ein echter fan und extra zur berlinale gereist, um die premiere anzusehen. was muss ich tun, um die dvd von ihnen zu bekommen? ich freue mich auf ihre antwort. herzliche gr|_e von birgit mahner. -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf From babel-list-owner Fri Mar 14 00:12:12 2008 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m2E7C4Po013097 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:12:11 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id m2E7C3du013096 for babel-list-obscured2k8; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:12:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from tpsmtpu03j1.tele.net (tpsmtpu03j1.tele.net [194.183.128.161]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id m2E7Bwo3013083 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:12:01 -0700 Received: from zech3 (194-208-150-042.tele.net [194.208.150.42] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by tpsmtpu03j1.tele.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2E72jHY095006; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:02:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alice) From: "Alice" To: "'Birgit Mahner'" , References: <20080313232514.182020> Subject: AW: RE: patti smith: dream of life Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:11:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c885a2$ae5ee570$0400a8c0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciFYydwy8bWtDUjSbGisB/4goyFJwAP00VA In-Reply-To: <20080313232514.182020> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id m2E7C3o3013092 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Thank you Birgit! I just wrote a request note. Hope it works. I was planning to watch it on ARTE anyway, but my own copy would be great. (Especially since I have to drive to Z|rich at 5 am the next morning!) Alice -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-babel-list [mailto:owner-babel-list] Im Auftrag von Birgit Mahner Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Mdrz 2008 00:25 An: babel-list Betreff: Fwd: RE: patti smith: dream of life hi babellistas! do you believe this: mail a request to arte tv and they send you the movie immediately - for free?! i don't know if it works overseas (different country code?), but it's worth a try. mail to: vera.berger i start feeling a little sorry for them... buried in requests. in fact, arte is the coolest channel, no shit. *patti smith: dream of life* can be seen on arte tv on tuesday, 25. march, 11 pm. birgit *when we dream it when we dream it when we dream it let's dream it we'll dream it for free free money free money free money free money free money free money free* -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:01:48 +0100 Von: "Stagiaire Presse docu" An: B.MAHNER Betreff: RE: patti smith: dream of life Liebe Frau Mahner, nat|rlich kvnnen wir Ihnen eine Kopie von "Patti Smith: Dream of Life" zukommen lassen. Wir haben sie heute schon in die Post gegeben. Der Film ist wirklich gelungen und wir hoffen, dass ihn viele Zuschauer auf ARTE sehen werden. Mit freundlichen Gr|_en aus Stra_burg, i. A. Roland Lvbner Vera Berger Pressereferentin Dokumentarfilme __________________ ARTE G.E.I.E. 4, Quai du Chanoine Winterer F-67080 Strasbourg cedex oder Postfach 1980 D-77679 Kehl Tel. 0033 3 88 14 24 18 Fax: 0033 3 88 14 23 50 www.arte.tv www.artepro.com > >---------- >De : Birgit Mahner[SMTP:B.MAHNER] >Date : mercredi 12 mars 2008 23:51:07 >@ : Berger Vera >Objet : patti smith: dream of life >Transfiri automatiquement par une rhgle > liebe frau berger, ich bekam von einem anderen patti-smith-fan die info, dass ich den film "patti smith: dream of life" von steven sebring bei ihnen bekommen kvnnte. das wdre wunderbar, denn ich bin seit |ber 30 jahren ein echter fan und extra zur berlinale gereist, um die premiere anzusehen. was muss ich tun, um die dvd von ihnen zu bekommen? ich freue mich auf ihre antwort. herzliche gr|_e von birgit mahner. -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! 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